Halifaxtiger Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 It's not the strongest GB team, and like many I was surprised to see King in instead of Rico. The thing is though - with Rico in we'd come third. Without Rico in we'll come third. So what does it matter. At least this way we can see which of the youngsters show they can perform on the real stage, and that can be taken into account in the race-off selection where Rico and possibly Nicholls will come into the equation and - once again - we'll come third. Or fourth. I think you are right both times there. The question is if it is a matter of giving the youngsters a chance, why change it at the race off stage ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 It's called pride ...getting stuffed at home won't do any good for anyone . You should put your best team out at all times... what a negative attitude from team gb to go an say we are going to get beat so we wil put out a crap side We should go to boro with our best side thinking we can win . That is why Rosco should have been team manager. Can you imagine him settling for a defeat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashie Smashy Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 It's called pride ...getting stuffed at home won't do any good for anyone . You should put your best team out at all times... what a negative attitude from team gb to go an say we are going to get beat so we wil put out a crap side We should go to boro with our best side thinking we can win . Hardly negative to be looking at the future, it is called forward thinking. As for Richardson, as others have said he may be doing well in the EL but on the big stage he is out performed on a regular basis, so who is to say he would do any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) Well whatever we say isn't going to change anything so will have to put up with this for at least this season before the powers that be can step in. We should always put out our best team. Orion is spot on. There won't be union jacks at Peterborrough flying from the stands. It will be white flags of surrender. And why have this at a track where GB struggle? Take it to Wolves and gve us a chance of qualifying. It's not as if the place is going to be packed out, is it? I would also like to add that I normally go to these meetings to cher on TeamGB, and would have been there for this but for going away for a couple of weeks this weekend. I DO want Team GB to qualify. I don't want to come on here and write "told you so". But the only way to avoid abject failure from failure that is to put out a stronger team. Edited June 30, 2009 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Well whatever we say isn't going to change anything so will have to put up with this for at least this season before the powers that be can step in. We should always put out our best team. Orion is spot on. There won't be union jacks at Peterborrough flying from the stands. It will be white flags of surrender. And why have this at a track where GB struggle? Take it to Wolves and gve us a chance of qualifying. It's not as if the place is going to be packed out, is it? Bring it to Poole and give us a greater chance of winning. You'l be Gurranteed a big crowd, plenty of home support all the boys ride poole reliatively well, and given decent weather superb place for the boys to relax before the meeting!!. Poole in the height of Summer, best place in the World!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 in my opinion we have gone from one extreme to the other ,last year everyone was saying to many has beens and not enough youth but now we have gone the other way to much youth not enough experiance i believe we have to give youth a chance to gain experiance but we also need the old heads there to help and guide personally i would have gone with richardson instead of king to give a better balance scott maybe a good rider but at the minute is struggling for form especially at international level fingers crossed it works for british team and we make it to the final but that i think is the best we can hope for this year and the team last season was: Nicholls Rico Bomber Kennett Woffinden 3 youngsters and 2 'old' guys.............. I dont see how this equates to too many 'has beens and not enough youth' ....... as has been indicated maybe there was a reason for Rico not being picked such as his illness?? ........ if that is the case then im sure no one would want to undermine Danny's confidence by making press statements about it Let's be honest. The OZ are gonna win this anyway aren't they so why not give the youngsters a shot at it?I take my hat off to Lyon for sticking to his guns. Richardson will be in the team at Leszno, he is by far the best Brit in Poland, but as for Scott who knows, the way Lewis was talking last night didn't suggest Scott would be in. well this is the interesting thing isnt it? is it actually a good thing to qualify directly? the stats say it isnt .... and I am certain that the Aussies are on the ball with that one I'm fully expecting a young Oz team now and the possibility that the 3 main teams will be reluctant to win the qualifier http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...t&p=1514924 It's called pride ...getting stuffed at home won't do any good for anyone . You should put your best team out at all times... what a negative attitude from team gb to go an say we are going to get beat so we wil put out a crap side We should go to boro with our best side thinking we can win . what have we been doing for the last 20 years Orion and how far has it got us? how about the last 2 years.... have you been happy with those? would you really want us to win at pboro and go directly into the final at Leszno with no race off preparation... like 2 years ago? 2007 FIM WORLD CUP FINAL Leszno Poland 55 Denmark 52 Australia 29 GB 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hardly negative to be looking at the future, it is called forward thinking. As for Richardson, as others have said he may be doing well in the EL but on the big stage he is out performed on a regular basis, so who is to say he would do any better. His average home and abroad suggests he will do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clicheboy Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Can you imagine him settling for a defeat? Well he's still 'managing' Swindon isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Think Lyons should be applauded for bringing in the Lion Cubs .... Is it just me that absolutely hates this way of referring to the younger members of the team? What do we call Bomber then - the elder statesman? OAP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hardly negative to be looking at the future, it is called forward thinking. As for Richardson, as others have said he may be doing well in the EL but on the big stage he is out performed on a regular basis, so who is to say he would do any better. As has been said before thatis untrue rico record in world speedway is an outstanding one the facts show you that ....putting riders who are no good now and won't be no good in a couple of years is not looking to the future it's just plain stupid . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedUnitedUnited Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Is it just me that absolutely hates this way of referring to the younger members of the team? What do we call Bomber then - the elder statesman? OAP? Sheer Khan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 As has been said before thatis untrue rico record in world speedway is an outstanding one the facts show you that ....putting riders who are no good now and won't be no good in a couple of years is not looking to the future it's just plain stupid . what have we been doing for the last 20 years Orion and how far has it got us? how about the last 2 years.... have you been happy with those? would you really want us to win at pboro and go directly into the final at Leszno with no race off preparation... like 2 years ago? 2007 FIM WORLD CUP FINAL Leszno Poland 55 Denmark 52 Australia 29 GB 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) We got to the final that year let us see if team of young superstars can do the same this year i some what doubt it . Edited June 30, 2009 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) We got to the final that year let us see if team of young superstars can do the same this year i some what doubt it . but you've just avoided the point again.... for the last 2 decades Orion we have been having to use squads who are understrength and as soon as we gain a new guy on the up one of the older guys retires or is on the way down............. its 2 steps forward 2 steps back ......... in fact i'd say we are ever so slightly always regressing slightly we now have a crop of youngsters coming through at the same time ironically despite the promoters collectively making it even more difficult for them in recent years............... so what should we do? continue what we have been doing for donkeys years which clearly hasnt been working or maybe follow the more successful steps of the policies of the Polish and Danes in recent years? We put out Nicholls, Rico, Harris, Kennett and Woffinden last season and they didnt make the final did they? The year before it was the same team but with (edit) Stead in place of Woffinden and it was probably one of the Lions darkest night ever I think the point that you are missing is that no matter what team we put out we are not going to be winning the SWC.......... and that ultimately is why this decision has been made because the moment you can say such things with so much certainty is the day that things have to change.......... otherwise we get left behind I am not going to say that they wont make the final but they will have done well already if they reach it.......... ultimately for me personally it will be a good job done if these guys who have already bonded at U21 level gain the necessary experience around each other at full international level and help RL set the building blocks in place for the future ....where hopefully none of us can say with such certainty that we have no chance of winning the SWC Edited June 30, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 but you've just avoided the point again.... for the last 2 decades Orion we have been having to use squads who are understrength and as soon as we gain a new guy on the up one of the older guys retires or is on the way down............. its 2 steps forward 2 steps back ......... in fact i'd say we are ever so slightly always regressing slightly we now have a crop of youngsters coming through at the same time ironically despite the promoters collectively making it even more difficult for them in recent years............... so what should we do? continue what we have been doing for donkeys years which clearly hasnt been working or maybe follow the more successful steps of the policies of the Polish and Danes in recent years? When was the last times poles put any young riders in ? one of the only reason they have won the world cup is because they got rune holta to ride for them on a polish passport.. when was the last time poland had a world champion ? do you think they would not have gollob in there world cup squad ? Danes Put young riders in who were good and maybe could help them win the world cups in later years like us now with Lewis and woffy ...as i said i don't mind that what i do mind is leaving out our best rider for a rider who not good enough now and won't be good enough ever to ride at this level . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I havn`t time to read all 11 pages so sorry if this has already been mentioned. This situation kind of reminds me of the England football team, New manager starting and making headlines with the changes made?? I hope this works out better for Rob than it did for Steve....I can see the reason for Scott not being in the team, whats a bad world cup going to do to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Rubbish,(to Gemmilou) riders need to earn their places in the team and just because they are young doesn't mean they should be given a chance. I am all for bringing in the youngsters, but surely you put your best team out for the WTC. If Lyon wants to blood youngsters, get some internationals organised. Wow, this must be the first post of yours I completely agree with!! We see it other sports as well, I remeber Cricket went down that road for a long time, putting in players just because they are young. Football the same but that's changed recently and who did most people say was one of the better performers for England - Beckham one of the oldest. You need the best team regardless of age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 When was the last times poles put any young riders in ? one of the only reason they have won the world cup is because they got rune holta to ride for them on a polish passport.. when was the last time poland had a world champion ? do you think they would not have gollob in there world cup squad ? Danes Put young riders in who were good and maybe could help them win the world cups in later years like us now with Lewis and woffy ...as i said i don't mind that what i do mind is leaving out our best rider for a rider who not good enough now and won't be good enough ever to ride at this level . the world championship is an irrelevance here apart from how helpful it is to have someone who you can rely on getting a good score the poles dont need to put any youngsters in Orion because they are overflowing with talent....... but it wasnt so long back that they did because all they had was Gollob and the results are there right in front of us to be seen....... although we would have to be naive not to recognise the financial backing involved as well "and wont be good enough to ride at this level" we are just going round in circles here lol.............. maybe it would help if you clarified why you think this? My experience of Danny and it seems the majority of the speedway journalists and fans seem to think that he is a bright star for the future........... as I said before not everyone who is expected to makes it and who is to say that Woffy, Lewis (and yes lets not forget Ed again Orion ) will make it? Maybe Danny will and one of them won't??? We've all seen it before...................... who thought that Stoney and Andy Smith would stay in the GP's for so long but Joe Screen would not fulfil his promise?? Danny does have a chance of making it at the very highest level but by not giving him the opportunities when they come around it is making it that much more difficult for him to realise any promise that he does have......... and for what? To replace him with one of your favourite riders who has been a 9 pointer at best for several years and is always going through one crisis or phase to another? I like Rico but there is some truth in what others have said. If we aint gonna win the SWC what is the point in particularly making sure Rico is in the team for the qualifier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) the world championship is an irrelevance here apart from how helpful it is to have someone who you can rely on getting a good score the poles dont need to put any youngsters in Orion because they are overflowing with talent....... but it wasnt so long back that they did because all they had was Gollob and the results are there right in front of us to be seen....... although we would have to be naive not to recognise the financial backing involved as well Poles overflowing with talent ? why did they have to used a 33 year old bloke from norway ... they put out there best side they can weather they are 17 or 50 . Thats why they win worlds cups rather than give up and quit like we are doing . As for king i must have seen him ride 10-12 times plus countless times on tv and still is getting beat the likes by stuart robson on his own track week in week out he reach his level and like howe with be back in the pl in the next 2 years or so . Edited June 30, 2009 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Poles overflowing with talent ? why did they have to used a 33 year old bloke from norway ... they put out there best side they can weather they are 17 or 50 . Thats why they win worlds cups rather than give up and quit like we are doing . I note that the team for Peterborough doesn't include GP riders Holta and Walasek.....but does include Miedzinski though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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