BritPete Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I assume that is the Harris and Nicholls situation BP. If it's nothing to do with Lee Richardson, then that just makes this stupid situation even worse. Mr. Lyons had better start praying that the Slovenian team don't take to the Peterborough track too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Don't be obtuse. His mantra is that young British riders should be given opportunities. Kl's policy flies in the face of that. Jan Graversen and Kozza Smith at 6 and 7 speaks volumes! lol you are telling me to not do what? frigbo he is not the KL promoter............ now who is being obtuse? We all know 100% KL's transfer policy and win at all costs attitude............... we also know that managers are usually in the situation of doing the best with what they are given........we also know that managers usually gain their position by being local to the club ........so considering all of that is it me or is RL almost in an identical postion that Middlo was? i'll be honest I was one of those offended by the ridiculous campaign waged by the Robins fans against Middlo despite the relatively good job that he had carried out until the start of the 07 campaign............. and here they are doing it again before RL has even had 1 match in charge behave yourself there should be no club tribal nonsense here and if Roscoe really is as good as you guys think then he will have his chance............. meanwhile RL is in charge and actually trying to do something about bringing us back to the level of the big boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 He'll be watching from the sidelines. no doubt he used to ride for the robins and if he was Polish he would be viewed as no better than Walasek........... I can see how he is GB's saviour and I take back everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well Orion there we're a team of apparent "no hopers" tonight that have won a place in the world cup final. How did they do it? Simply by being a team & taking inspiration from their star rider. So you see it is possible, & i certainly hope The Brits we're watching & taking heart. The point your missing is colin that Russia never put out no hopers they put out there best team reguardless of age colour or creed ....they never just just said 'we can't win anyhow so lets not pick our best side ' and look what happen tonight a win . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 lol you are telling me to not do what? frigbo he is not the KL promoter............ now who is being obtuse? We all know 100% KL's transfer policy and win at all costs attitude............... we also know that managers are usually in the situation of doing the best with what they are given........we also know that managers usually gain their position by being local to the club ........so considering all of that is it me or is RL almost in an identical postion that Middlo was? i'll be honest I was one of those offended by the ridiculous campaign waged by the Robins fans against Middlo despite the relatively good job that he had carried out until the start of the 07 campaign............. and here they are doing it again before RL has even had 1 match in charge behave yourself there should be no club tribal nonsense here and if Roscoe really is as good as you guys think then he will have his chance............. meanwhile RL is in charge and actually trying to do something about bringing us back to the level of the big boys I'm well aware he's not the KL Promoter thank you. As you say, RL's position is very Middlo like in the fact that he should be developing ways to bring on the next generation of British riders but is more than happy to manage a team which does nothing of the sort. If RL has any minerals he would quit KL and concentrate full time on initiating a grass roots development process for these new riders. Somehow I doubt that will happen. Two wrongs and all that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 no doubt he used to ride for the robins and if he was Polish he would be viewed as no better than Walasek........... I can see how he is GB's saviour and I take back everything Mmm, I think I'm giving you too much credit by assuming you will understand the rationale behind my posts. Please explain who our class rider is if it isn't Mr Richardson....Emiliano Sanchez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 The point your missing is colin that Russia never put out no hopers they put out there best team reguardless of age colour or creed ....they never just just said 'we can't win anyhow so lets not pick our best side ' and look what happen tonight a win . i'm just assuming you are on the wind up now tbh Orion.... have you nothing better to do with your time? I'm well aware he's not the KL Promoter thank you. As you say, RL's position is very Middlo like in the fact that he should be developing ways to bring on the next generation of British riders but is more than happy to manage a team which does nothing of the sort. If RL has any minerals he would quit KL and concentrate full time on initiating a grass roots development process for these new riders. Somehow I doubt that will happen. Two wrongs and all that..... so let me get this right..... Middlo.... and now RL should break away from their clubs when they are GB manager...... because of course they have that swing and power within the sport right? ........ and then off their own backs convince the BSPA to not only table but also agree on their proposal that will turn GB into the next superpower .......... the very same BSPA who are doing their best to help turn Australia into a superpower yeah I agree Frigbo ... somehow I doubt it will happen as well So after all of those posts trying to get Middlo out of a job he was doing well in at the time.... and now RL before a wheel has even been turned..... im trying to figure out how it works that Roscoe should get the job when Swindon in the Roscoe era are hardly renowned for putting the Brits first...... if Roscoe had got the job are we saying he should have gone on this same bedtime story route of breaking away? Mmm, I think I'm giving you too much credit by assuming you will understand the rationale behind my posts. Please explain who our class rider is if it isn't Mr Richardson....Emiliano Sanchez? I think you give yourself too much credit for the games you try to play sorry you were suggesting that Rico was a 'star' at international level werent you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) i'm just assuming you are on the wind up now tbh Orion.... have you nothing better to do with your time? so let me get this right..... Middlo.... and now RL should break away from their clubs when they are GB manager...... because of course they have that swing and power within the sport right? ........ and then off their own backs convince the BSPA to not only table but also agree on their proposal that will turn GB into the next superpower .......... the very same BSPA who are doing their best to help turn Australia into a superpower yeah I agree Frigbo ... somehow I doubt it will happen as well So after all of those posts trying to get Middlo out of a job he was doing well in at the time.... and now RL before a wheel has even been turned..... im trying to figure out how it works that Roscoe should get the job when Swindon in the Roscoe era are hardly renowned for putting the Brits first...... if Roscoe had got the job are we saying he should have gone on this same bedtime story route of breaking away? I think you give yourself too much credit for the games you try to play sorry you were suggesting that Rico was a 'star' at international level werent you? Not necessarily, the point was that the rest of the Russian team were inspired by their 'star' rider. Rico is ours. As for your other comments, you're absolutely right - let's just carry on as we are. Where have I said Rosco should have the job?? - I've simply said Lyon shouldn't. Edited July 11, 2009 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) i'm just assuming you are on the wind up now tbh Orion.... have you nothing better to do with your time? Why ? just saying if Russia had took Gb mind set they would not have won tonight ...I think People gave us the same chance in our semi as they did Russia ....your plan as you say is we have no chance of winning so lets blood young riders ... lucky for Russia they went with there strongest line up and won . Not sure why you kep saying stuff about Rosco not putting brits first in the swindon side ? i Don't expect him to i expect all clubs side to out there best team just like i Do fo Team Gb ....Somethink Lyon not going to do . Edited July 11, 2009 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I assume that is the Harris and Nicholls situation BP. If you we're at Brandon yesterday you wouldn't even have known it, both acknowledged each others racing from what i saw, really people need to put this one to bed now & let them both get on with their racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Not necessarily, the point was that the rest of the Russian team were inspired by their 'star' rider. Rico is ours. As for your other comments, you're absolutely right - let's just carry on as we are. Where have I said Rosco should have the job?? - I've simply said Lyon shouldn't. would that be here? http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...st&p=982904 Rosco is the only obvious man for the job to raise our profile, ensure sponsors are queueing up and lead the boys from the front!! so i'll ask the question again if you had got your robins tinted wish should Rosco have immediately fallen on his Swindon sword? oh come on as much as I like Rico he cannot be described as a star rider even at team level........ he is a 9 point rider no matter how much you like him........ we should be aiming for our national team to have 9 point riders as our weakest riders in the team not strongest 'lets carry on as we are' ?? no thats the point..... someone has had the sense to end the nightmare gradual decline by viewing guys such as Rico and Nicholls as stars who we can pin everything on.......... we are doing anything but carrying on as we are Why ? just saying if Russia had took Gb mind set they would not have won tonight ...I think People gave us the same chance in our semi as they did Russia ....your plan as you say is we have no chance of winning so lets blood young riders ... lucky for Russia they went with there strongest line up and won . where have you been for the last couple of years? This team hasnt just come from nowhere ... they have been blooded over a period of time and have consistently been on the up........... has that been the case with Rico, Scott et al then?.... or just possibly have they been in decline? your plan as you say is we have no chance of winning so lets blood young riders 100%............. and then next season we have more options .... but as I was going off topic so well with...... this is not something RL can do on his own.......... if the promoters start stepping up to the plate as well we could have more riders than we know what to do with in 5/10 years time I'll ask you again Orion because your posts have a great habit of conveniently ignoring some questions and points...... with a team of Richardson, Nicholls, Bomber, Kennett and either Lewis or Tai do you think we would have a chance of winning the 2009 SWC.......... and if the answer is no then how does it do us more good in the grand scheme of things to use Nicholls and Richardson rather than the youngsters gaining more experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) would that be here? http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...st&p=982904 A retro 2008 Whooosh! Edited July 11, 2009 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 so i'll ask the question again if you had got your robins tinted wish should Rosco have immediately fallen on his Swindon sword? Whether it be Alun or whoever, i stand by my opinion that the Team Gb boss should be a full time role and primarily be used to develop youth and training policies when the team are not racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 A retro 2008 Whooosh! well you did ask p.s. some interesting skin ripping exchanges with Middlo as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Whether it be Alun or whoever, i stand by my opinion that the Team Gb boss should be a full time role and primarily be used to develop youth and training policies when the team are not racing. oh ok well I could well agree with you there .......... but this is some diversion off the path isnt it? Orion will be saying it is off topic next I suspect that would all come down to money and the promoters really havent seemed too interested in the state of our riders in recent seasons...... as much as i'd like to see it I cant imagine those same promoters will be too quick to fund such a thing......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 well you did ask p.s. some interesting skin ripping exchanges with Middlo as well Great days..in fact it's a 2007 whoosh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 would that be here? http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...st&p=982904 where have you been for the last couple of years? This team hasnt just come from nowhere ... they have been blooded over a period of time and have consistently been on the up........... has that been the case with Rico, Scott et al then?.... or just possibly have they been in decline? 100%............. and then next season we have more options .... but as I was going off topic so well with...... this is not something RL can do on his own.......... if the promoters start stepping up to the plate as well we could have more riders than we know what to do with in 5/10 years time I'll ask you again Orion because your posts have a great habit of conveniently ignoring some questions and points...... with a team of Richardson, Nicholls, Bomber, Kennett and either Lewis or Tai do you think we would have a chance of winning the 2009 SWC.......... and if the answer is no then how does it do us more good in the grand scheme of things to use Nicholls and Richardson rather than the youngsters gaining more experience? Told you before most other teams try to pick the best teams not what colour they are or what age they are.. not a hard thing to follow is it ? Before tonight no one on gods each gave a Russia chance but they picked there best side and had a bit of luck and won ....you must always give yourself best chance of winning you seen tonight that one crash for a team and a rider could miss his rides and that team would have no chance of wining it . no good sitting here after the event saying we could have won that if we had put out our best side So Nicholls and rico for me every time intill someone shows me they are better ...pick the side on merit not age . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 lmao and you avoid the question again ok Orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevs Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Best of luck to all the lads on Monday,team decided,race your hearts out and enjoy it and hey nothing to prove,best of luck to you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Before tonight no one on gods each gave a Russia chance but they picked there best side and had a bit of luck and won .... Not convinced that they actually DID use their best 5 tonight. However, I would agree that Rico should be in the team for the SWC....If he isn't in at Leszno (if we make it) then Lyon deserves a slap! As for Scott...He is having a howler of a season and I don't blame the boss for leaving him out. His form in Poland suggests that he isn't worth bringing back if we reach Leszno either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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