Trees Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Great to see King answer his critics in style at the Abbey tonight! Our World Cup Superstar beat Sedgmen twice and Stachyra once; Crump, Gollob and Zagar must barely be able to sleep with worry! You just don't get what's going on with TeamGB do ya .................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettering Panther Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Seb, When is SWC Event 2 at Blunsdon then Mr Snail? Your reply is predictable, a bit like the racing at your ultra slick gaff this season. You lot dont get it do you, maybe there's something in the water in Wiltshire which affects your thinking?? I suppose you think Simon Stead is an ideal candidate at the moment too, and if you do you havent seen his form at the Showground in recent years either... Edited July 3, 2009 by Kettering Panther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Seb, When is SWC Event 2 at Blunsdon then Mr Snail? Your reply is predictable, a bit like the racing at your ultra slick gaff this season. You lot dont get it do you, maybe there's something in the water in Wiltshire which affects your thinking?? I suppose you think Simon Stead is an ideal candidate at the moment too, and if you do you havent seen his form at the Showground in recent years either... Swindon not been utlra slick at all and last night there was plenty of dirt on it ...of course you were there last night and go to every home meeting ? King was hopeless last night and has been for the last couple of weeks and even his swedish have got rid of him ...Can't gate is clueless and slow from behind and can just beat premier league reserves ..bar that he's in great form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adder Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 King was dreadful last night and his inclusion in the GB team beggers belief. If this is the best that Mr Lyon can do then it is a very sad state of affairs. It's time for change, It's time for Rosco. Why on earth he wasn't given the job is beyond my wit. Slovenia will beat us at Peterborough next Monday and we will be out on our a**e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettering Panther Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Let's see a week on Monday shall we but in the meantime name me a few GB riders who can actually perform well around Peterborough, because even Bomber is inconsistent there?? And dan does ride for Smerderna on Tuesday so wrong once again! And Rosco for Team GB team Manager? Leave it alone will you!! The Swindon fans that I know are very nice people indeed and 100% Robin and they dont even rate him as their club manager....I hope you all have your fittings booked for your bridesmaids dresses once again come October by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchesfan Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Orien 'King was ....... and even his swedish have got rid of him ...' You keep quoting this but where have you got that from - Dan continues to ride in Sweden! He didn't ride last week for a good reason. :lol: All this negativity will certainly help the boy's confidence don't you think. Lay off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adder Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 The Swindon fans that I know are very nice people indeed and 100% Robin and they dont even rate him as their club manager....I hope you all have your fittings booked for your bridesmaids dresses once again come October by the way? Better to be a bridesmaid than not getting an invite to the wedding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) You keep quoting this but where have you got that from - Dan continues to ride in Sweden! He didn't ride last week for a good reason. Yea he's riding crap . Edited July 3, 2009 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 This subject is a real difficult one. On one hand I can see why people are saying we should give the younger riders a go but on the other I can see the point of using the riders in form. Personally, I edge towards the form riders. I can totally understand the omission of Scotty on current form, although I do hope we havent seen the last of him in GB colours. I would have gone for Rico over King based on form. I dont have anything against Danny King at all, I just feel Rico is better. As far as giving the youngsters experience of competition goes, I'm not sure what will be achieved. To me, the only experience we will be giving them is getting soundly beaten and destroying confidence. I dont think change should be made for the sake of change. In my opinion, the 'youngsters' we really need to be working on are the ones that are 8/9/10 years old; getting them well trained and supported so that when they reach the age of say Tai, they will have a much better chance. I dont feel putting riders in just because they happen to be younger than Scott or Rico is the way to go. Yes pick those younger ones that are in better form, but not anyone thats half decent who happens to be younger, it is a competition after all, so the best team should be put out. I'm not even sure how old Scott and Rico are but surely they wont be drawing thier pensions any time soon will they? One thing that puzzled me a bit when Rob Lyon was talking at the GP, was when he said its all about the kids. Fair enough comment to make but if thats his belief, why pick Joe Screen amongst the original squad? Has Rob always been about the kids or has he bowed to pressure? I'll still be giving my full support to the team, no matter who is picked. I wish them all the best and I sincerely hope I can come back on here and say how wrong I was. One thing for sure is that I wont be on here slagging them off if they dont do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Let's see a week on Monday shall we no how about we see in a few years time? the posts following last nights match were so predictable it isnt true.......... surely even the most head in the clouds person can realise that the inclusion of Danny and Lewis is not based on current form and is purely based on potential............. and once that has been acknowledged (even if it caught in your throat for a moment ) then the only way of having a chance to know if it was helpful or not is in a few years time lol................ and even then it is probably unquantifiable and are we really going down the Rosco discussion route again? Do you realise a wheel hasnt even been turned yet and you are calling for Rosco to be manager? .... not that there is a bias agenda or anything I remember a similar situation on here at the start of the 07 season with people mindlessly getting on the bandwagon calling for Middlo's head............ we were told that x amount of years without a win meant he should go etc etc ............ of course the real story was that he had very little to work with in his spell as manager and he could only rely on his management skills rather than there being such competition for places that the riders already have all the motivation they need................. this discussion went on and on and on ... and I seem to remember the Swindon fans were at the centre of it then as well citing Rosco as the saviour........... who knows how much that undesirable and unrealistic 'movement' affected things.... hopefully not at all.... but in 07 we were embarrassed....... then Jim Lynch took over, used Tai instead of Simon and we didnt even make the final........... Rosco would have done better than those two guys? the simple truth is probably not...... and fortunately RL has decided the same about himself..................... as far as I know there are no miracle workers in speedway .... Derren Brown is not a speedway manager (look away Iris ) This day was always coming ....... and as per a thread I created last season you (and yes you robins as well!) can give yourselves a pat on the back for accepting the team building habits of the promoters for all of these years without question or word......... our national team and highest level of our riders has steadily decreased over the years and it has been in tandem with the sheer volume of overseas riders coming in................. this has nothing to do with overseas riders being more exciting....... nothing to do with a lack of british riders because it is years of this policy that may have caused any blockage.................. this is purely due to assets and assessed averages.................................. while you lap up the latest Slovenian signing or discuss who gets first dibs on the latest U21 sensation who has never ridden here you support the very system that causes the situation we find ourselves in now want to talk about Sedgeman now Orion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Well I got four out of the five, I'm a little surprised that King is preferred to Rico but you can see why the decision has been made. Good to see the usual suspects are stamping their feet and slagging off Rob without a wheel being turned. Priceless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettering Panther Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 "Better to be a bridesmaid than not getting an invite to the wedding" Adder my boy... we had a lovely day in 2006 and previously in 1999.....the sun didnt shine but all our boys looked wonderful in their outfits, with those winners medals glistening around their necks soaked in champagne and twinkling in the floodlit sky Remind me... when was your big night again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper-racing.co.uk Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Help from Micheal Lee ? what a great model for youngsters still win or lose we will all be on a high I dont care about his "past" the guy is a legend and has a great depth of knowledge - both on track and about the bikes being a highly skilled tuner. Id still look up to him as a mentor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I understand RL has chosen riders for thier potential, but I question how much more potential some of them have. Danny and Lewis have been around for a while now, they're not new kids on the block and I think they have just about reached thier level. If they do improve, how significant is it going to be. Both of them struggled badly in the GP qualifiers, with Danny finishing with less points than James Wright. If either of those two were in the GP series, would they do better than Scott, Rico or Bomber? Not in my opinion. Even Eddie,who has gradually improved has reached a level and although its hard to judge from two GP apearances, he didnt come up to standard. I know Scott is having a bad season but in previous GP seasons, he has hovered around the 8/9 position consistantly. Although thats not brilliant, I believe its more consistant than any of the upcoming riders (Tai apart) would manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Danny and Lewis have been around for a while now, they're not new kids on the block and I think they have just about reached thier level No not new kids on the block BUT they have years of experience and knowledge to gain ahead of them! Riders always say just being in the pits with the best riders help them especially if they are determined to get to the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Danny and Lewis have been around for a while now, they're not new kids on the block and I think they have just about reached thier level. LOL are you seriously standing behind this comment? remind me again how old is Lewis? would it be 19? How much have both Lewis and Danny put on their averages this season? As covered earlier in the thread over the years Danny hasnt been in such a hurry to gain those improvements ................. but it is startling for you to say that Lewis has grounded out lol ....... he has had something like 1 season of not improving his average and this was during less professional days........... since starting at Weymouth he has added something like 30 average points ..... in 5 years ...... you only have to watch him race this season to see clearly that he has taken a step up into a different class since last season... let alone the average improvement I just dont get some of the negative mystic meg comments in this thread.............. the truth is that no one knows what the future will be in terms of the youngsters and who will make it and who wont ............. but we can see clearly the guys who are improving faster than others..... and the positive effects of fast tracking for other nations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Sorry if I disagree with you spook but I do stand by it. I know Lewis has improved but he still isnt consistant. He has the talent but not always the temperament. Emil is only 19 yet he is challanging for the world title. I dont presume to be mystic meg or the like but I just feel that although the likes of Lewis will have decent careers and may well be heat leaders in this country, I cant see them threatening the top riders, Danny even less so. That may be negative or pessamistic but in my opinion, which I'm entitled to, thats how I see it. I truly hope I'm wrong and I'll gladly come on here, offer a grovelling apology and admit that I'm a negative, miserable sod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Sorry if I disagree with you spook but I do stand by it. I know Lewis has improved but he still isnt consistant. He has the talent but not always the temperament. Emil is only 19 yet he is challanging for the world title. I dont presume to be mystic meg or the like but I just feel that although the likes of Lewis will have decent careers and may well be heat leaders in this country, I cant see them threatening the top riders, Danny even less so. That may be negative or pessamistic but in my opinion, which I'm entitled to, thats how I see it. I truly hope I'm wrong and I'll gladly come on here, offer a grovelling apology and admit that I'm a negative, miserable sod! There is absolutely no need to be apologising for disagreeing with me lol ....... forums are for discussion and putting across points...... I dont automatically expect people to agree with me The startling thing for me is underpinned by the fact that he is 19... I wouldnt expect high levels of consistency from a 19 year old ... and I certainly wouldnt expect one to have almost an 8 point average ........ in fact I would expect most guys at this age to be a reserve in the PL...........also it isnt a case that Lewis 'may' be a heatleader in this country he is lol I really dont see how we can compare him to Emil....... Sayfutdinov is no average case and in fact I would go as far as to say he is a complete freak (meant in the nicest way) in the annuls of history....How many other 19 year olds have found themselves second in the world? And dare I say it but has Lewis enjoyed anything like the backing that Emil has? In fact has any British rider? I usually nod my head to most of the stuff you post Pearcey but I just dont see where you are coming from on this one when you consider the 30 average points in 5 seasons (thats a lowly 6 a season on average ) and in particular the progress made this season.... and still all at an age where the approach of most to work and life has most oldies tutting lol What would be extremely interesting is for us to be able to list 19 year old's in the 3 top leagues who have an average better than 7.87 ............. already in the weaker EL I can see that the older Kennett (22) and Holder (21) are the only two 'youngsters' with higher averages....no one 19 betters him....... in Poland we have Sayfutdinov on 8.36..... and then the next best is Zengota on 7.26............... in Sweden we have Leon Madsen on 7.58..............so obviously the EL is weaker than the other leagues.... I dont think that is in question....... and also Lewis's averages in those leagues dont match up to his home league form... but tbh it's difficult to tell as he has only had 4 matches between those leagues....... imo Lewis has something like another 6 or 7 seasons before we can start writing him off for great things and just so I can join the legends who are Tony Millard and Nigel Pearson I would just like to say the word 'nineteen' again because I dont think ive said it enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 "Better to be a bridesmaid than not getting an invite to the wedding" Adder my boy... we had a lovely day in 2006 and previously in 1999.....the sun didnt shine but all our boys looked wonderful in their outfits, with those winners medals glistening around their necks soaked in champagne and twinkling in the floodlit sky Remind me... when was your big night again? I thought that this thread was about the World Cup Team, not "when did you last win the league"? FWIW I haven't once touted up Rosco for the job, but I do know that he'd pick the best team for the meeting in hand, not chuck someone in who isn't up to the required standard. I guess that Rob Lyon is just trying to make a point; sadly for him, at the moment it's just that he doesn't seem to have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) I see where you are coming from spook and I have to say I'm impressed with your knowledge of averages! I hold my hands up and say that I worded it badly earlier by saying they have reached a level. I was not referring to Lewis' average, which as you point out he has improved dramatically. The point I was trying to make was that on the World stage, e.g. GP qualifiers, he is left wanting. As you say and as I hinted, the Elite is a weak league in comparison. I know he is already a heat leader, again I worded it badly, as I meant consistantly through his career. Dont get me wrong, I think the lad is a good rider. Scotty and Bomber are good riders and are consistant heat leaders in England but are not World beaters. Thats the most I believe Lewis will be. I do hope I'm wrong though, honest! I know its probably unfair to mention Emil as well because the fella is a bit special. Its just that there are other young riders, like Lindback, Lindgren and Holder as well as Emil who do look like World beaters and thats the kind of standard I was thinking of. I want the GB boys to do well and really hope they do. P.S How old is Lewis again? Edited July 3, 2009 by Pearcey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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