orion Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Sorry can't find anythink on Lyon record ....if you could put it up what he has done outside of the pl as as a rider and as a team manager it would be most helpful . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 If we put out our strongest side and got through to the final we'd be hammered like 2 years ago. At least this way the team can have a go at the race off, and try to gain confidence for the future. The swedes and the russians are weakish at the bottom end, so at least our lads might get used to winning the odd race in poland. Last year some of the aussies were saying "we may have been better off going to the race off", i fully expect boyce to pick a weakened side too. Maybe leave ryan in poland and try a youngster. As for the slagging off for lyon, we cant come last at peterboro so why not give the lads a chance, i was surprised at first, but on reflection, the race off is the best bet for our 2nd rate nation of riders. We know we cant compete with the big boys yet, so lets just have a go at the others and get some experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Sorry can't find anythink on Lyon record ....if you could put it up what he has done outside of the pl as as a rider and as a team manager it would be most helpful . how convenient ...... ive heard Google is helpful... along with the usual speedway reference sites but hang on..... so are you saying that you have hung drawn and quartered him without even doing any research on the guy? ...... that sums it all up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanB Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Richardson has been Team GB's best rider over the last few seasons. You are not Rob Lyon is disguise are you? From what I see of Richardson on the international circuit it is him who does not have a clue. He continually chases the wrong lines and if he doesn't gate he migt as well not bother. Why is it the EL fans seem to have a problem with a PL manager in charge of the national side. Lets give the man a chance, lets back the team and give them a chance. For one thing we may not win it but it wont e through lack of effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Going to be a bleak period with this small time charlie as tm This would be as opposed to the stunning run of success that has seen how many victories in the last 20 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ft026 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 I given plenty of reasons about Danny king you just choose not ignore them ....to sum it up the guy has not the skill or the gating to take him to the next level this is as far as he gets ( waits for you to say you still have not given any reasons ) Craig boyce came third in a world championship and was captain of many top levels teams .......where did Rob Lyon come ? how many top levels teams did he captain ? Boyce gets respect from others riders Lyon done nothing to get anyones respect . Ps when did i ever say that Craig Boyce should have been or was a good world cup manager ? I'm pretty sure he's done a whole lot more than you in speedway orion. Going on your argument throughout this thread, you state that the top level riders will not give Lyon any respect. Are you a top level rider? If not, why does he not get your respect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 I'm pretty sure he's done a whole lot more than you in speedway orion. Going on your argument throughout this thread, you state that the top level riders will not give Lyon any respect. Are you a top level rider? If not, why does he not get your respect? But Orion isn't putting himself for the job. To those who are defending him, because you are misguided that its EL vs. PL, I think you do not need to have managed a league team to manage a national team. Very different rules, scenarios etc.. EL helps if EL tracks are used, but predominately, you need someone with international experience and know how international riders operate. Admittedly, he would get better insight from managing an EL team, but thats it. As I said before, Mark Loram would have been ideal. Lyon's team selection lets him down, I also think he came across badly on a Sky broadcast with Keith Huewen (think it was the start of the GP year) and he said something like, "What would you be telling them now"....really put him on the spot, and I wondered! Sam Ermolenko eventually answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ft026 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 But Orion isn't putting himself for the job. To those who are defending him, because you are misguided that its EL vs. PL, I think you do not need to have managed a league team to manage a national team. Very different rules, scenarios etc.. EL helps if EL tracks are used, but predominately, you need someone with international experience and know how international riders operate. Admittedly, he would get better insight from managing an EL team, but thats it. As I said before, Mark Loram would have been ideal. Lyon's team selection lets him down, I also think he came across badly on a Sky broadcast with Keith Huewen (think it was the start of the GP year) and he said something like, "What would you be telling them now"....really put him on the spot, and I wondered! Sam Ermolenko eventually answered. My point was that orion states that lyon has done nothing to deserve any respect. This isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) I don't think it was wise to leave out Scott or Rico, I would always pick the strongest team as well as giving the boys a time to bond. However I can see why it has been done as doesnt look like we're gonna go straight through to the final. I very much hope that those 2 are in the pits with the boys tho, helping out encouraging etc. And that they are involved in Poland. I think the race off (assuming we get there) and who he picks etc, will be a truer refelction of Rob Lyon's mangerial skill. Edited July 2, 2009 by Tex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 My point was that orion states that lyon has done nothing to deserve any respect. This isn't true. At the highest level it is ..just like any walk of life you have to have had walked the walk .. Do you really see Lyon telling what lines on the racetrack Rico should ride ? or what set up he should used in poland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Found out last night the reason why Richardson isn't in the lineup. It's because the other riders don't like him. he doesn't get on with his fellow riders and Rob Lyon wants harmony in the pits and for them all to get on. So bye bye Lee. Ability hasn't come into it. Unbeleivable but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki star 882 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 quote orion Just because they did have a sponsor does not mean they don't have a big budget. andersons bucthers etc have sponsor pl teams before hardly going to be a mavsive amount of money . Proves my point exactly. Kings Lynn are successful due to quality promotion and team management, not a "massive" budget as you claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul.f Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Found out last night the reason why Richardson isn't in the lineup. It's because the other riders don't like him. he doesn't get on with his fellow riders and Rob Lyon wants harmony in the pits and for them all to get on. So bye bye Lee. Ability hasn't come into it. Unbeleivable but true. what a load of bull**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettering Panther Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Orion, Having watched Danny King on numerous occasions on almost every track possible in the UK over the last few years and every meeting home and away over the last two years whilst he was a Panther, I can assure you that with what Rob Lyon had to pick from, Danny's place is more than justified in the Team GB side. Scott Nicholls, and I'm a fan of his too - although most of the UK is pretending not to be whilst he struggles - does not ride Alwalton particularly well and although I admit Lee Richardson's exclusion was a tad harsh, I dont see that it's a case of Danny denying him a spot at all. Lewis Bridger and Edward Kennett can both be hit and miss at Peterborough as can Chris Harris to say the least, and on his day Dan can outscore the majority at the Showground, if not all, of the 12 man Team GB squad that got selected. As for Danny being a 6-6.50 point man, well I'm no Mathematics Graduate - and I assume you use numbers too down Swindon way - but he currently has improved his 2009 starting average by about 1.30 this season and has a GSA of 7.42......all this in a struggling Witches side and away from a home track that Dan will admit he is most comfortable on in the UK......that track being the East of England Showground!!! He will also have Michael Lee in his and Tai's corner, and he knows more about what engine and set-up is needed for our track than anyone, even more so this year now he is the clubs Technical Advisor. His 11 points in April when Ipswich came calling further highlighted that. And Kelvin Tatum you ought to be reading this too...shock inclusion my a**e, it was a sensible horses for courses decision by Rob Lyon. So think before you get your keyboard in gear, he may not ride the bumps of Blunsdon too well but then SWC Event 2 isnt being staged in Wiltshire my boy now is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Orion, Having watched Danny King on numerous occasions on almost every track possible in the UK over the last few years and every meeting home and away over the last two years whilst he was a Panther, I can assure you that with what Rob Lyon had to pick from, Danny's place is more than justified in the Team GB side. Scott Nicholls, and I'm a fan of his too - although most of the UK is pretending not to be whilst he struggles - does not ride Alwalton particularly well and although I admit Lee Richardson's exclusion was a tad harsh, I dont see that it's a case of Danny denying him a spot at all. Lewis Bridger and Edward Kennett can both be hit and miss at Peterborough as can Chris Harris to say the least, and on his day Dan can outscore the majority at the Showground, if not all, of the 12 man Team GB squad that got selected. As for Danny being a 6-6.50 point man, well I'm no Mathematics Graduate - and I assume you use numbers too down Swindon way - but he currently has improved his 2009 starting average by about 1.30 this season and has a GSA of 7.42......all this in a struggling Witches side and away from a home track that Dan will admit he is most comfortable on in the UK......that track being the East of England Showground!!! He will also have Michael Lee in his and Tai's corner, and he knows more about what engine and set-up is needed for our track than anyone, even more so this year now he is the clubs Technical Advisor. His 11 points in April when Ipswich came calling further highlighted that. And Kelvin Tatum you ought to be reading this too...shock inclusion my a**e, it was a sensible horses for courses decision by Rob Lyon. So think before you get your keyboard in gear, he may not ride the bumps of Blunsdon too well but then SWC Event 2 isnt being staged in Wiltshire my boy now is it? Is king better than richardson ? the answer is no ..so he's done nothing to justified his place not hard to follow is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettering Panther Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Cant you bloody read or something? No wonder you have a problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper-racing.co.uk Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Is king better than richardson ? the answer is no ..so he's done nothing to justified his place not hard to follow is it ? Isnt it better to boost and trial the younger inexperienced team whilst we have no chance of wining - in order to get them competitive for the future. I was surprised by Richardsons non inclusion, but there only needs to be one rider with more experience to help pass it on to the team. Is it really healthy to run the same team and riders year after year which isnt going anywhere - no... so this is a fresh start so to say. Theres also help in the form of Michael lee, who helps both Tai and Danny - so theres stability straight away. Hopefully these guys will gel as a team more and help one another like us Brits should and did in the past - instead of being arrogant re madonnas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Theres also help in the form of Michael lee, who helps both Tai and Danny - so theres stability straight away. Help from Micheal Lee ? what a great model for youngsters still win or lose we will all be on a high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Found out last night the reason why Richardson isn't in the lineup. It's because the other riders don't like him. he doesn't get on with his fellow riders and Rob Lyon wants harmony in the pits and for them all to get on. So bye bye Lee. Ability hasn't come into it. Unbeleivable but true. I really hope its not true....I don't think Gundersen and Nielsen were the greatest of friends, but still combined to produce some major honours! Not that Richardson or others are in their class.....however, 'friendships' shouldn't come into a team selection, whatever next Andy Smith recalled because everyone agrees he is a nice guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Great to see King answer his critics in style at the Abbey tonight! Our World Cup Superstar beat Sedgmen twice and Stachyra once; Crump, Gollob and Zagar must barely be able to sleep with worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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