wotnoaj Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Obviously everyone is going to have differing opinions on team selection and no matter who Lyon picked he would be wrong in a lot of peoples eyes, mine included. I can kind of understand people talking about blooding youngsters but surely only if they are good enough. In my opinion, the only youngster we have that has a decent chance of becoming a top rider is Tai. I fear that putting in all of the youngsters is change for the sake of change and we could well see thier confidence take a good battering in the World Cup. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 So is Chris Harris the new captain of GB It would certainly make sense for the British number 1 to be captain wouldnt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 With respect Orion , i have seen it , and many others have , when rico is in a battle, he backs down , and gives his place up , fact. He may ride well at times, but not not consistent enough against the top boys So how can his average so high in sweden in poland ? he does it week in week out . If thats not conisistent i don't no what is . If your going to say somethink back it up with some facts . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 If your going to say somethink back it up with some facts . Ahhh, but that would go against the unwritten rules of the BSF Good call leaving Scott out imo, but Rico really should have been in. He's clearly getting back to his very best and should definately be in if we scrape past Slovenia into the playoffs in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorset delight Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Brave choice by Lyon,you cant please all the people all the time. But lets face it we are not going to win the bloody thing so lets give the kids a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 No issue with Nicholls being left out but Rico's omission is a shocking decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 So how can his average so high in sweden in poland ? he does it week in week out . If thats not conisistent i don't no what is . If your going to say somethink back it up with some facts . I'm not saying he's riding bad , all i'm saying is that when push comes to shove he backs off, statistics for that are hard to come by. If he gates , he wins his fair share , but buckles under a challenge . Thats all i'm trying to say. I'd rather see out and out battlers riding for team GB rather than someone who always appears not to give a toss for anyone apart from himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Rob Lyon's choice did rather suprise me - after all, he said on Saturday that he would pick riders in form, and he missed out Rico. I personally would have put Rico in and not included Danny King - but then again, what do I know? I'm not the Team GB manager.... I think it will be an interesting round at Peterborough, but I'm not certain such a young team will set the world alight. Not against the oppostion we have, anyway. Perhaps he is banking on them securing third and a place in the run-off. In getting to the run-off, we have a chance to tryout bikes etc. at Lezno - it's like an extra practice. I know it didn't work out for us doing that last year, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 esp you all of people SS. It's that sort of typical atttitude that people like you display that give an aura that you want him (King) to fail so you can gloat. My opinion is Steve doesn't only want King to fail he wants Rob Lyon to fail as Rossiter was his preferred choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Ahhh, but that would go against the unwritten rules of the BSF Good call leaving Scott out imo, but Rico really should have been in. He's clearly getting back to his very best and should definately be in if we scrape past Slovenia into the playoffs in Poland I cant understand the thinking of Rico should be in but not Scott - Do you honestly beleive that at this moment in time there are 5 british riders better than Scott Nicholls? IMO the best 4 brits at the moment are Bomber,Scotty,Tai and Rico next best is probably Eddie but maybe not around peterborough - yes these guys (well Rico ,Scott and Bomber) have had there chance to impress in the past and have maybe failed but the fact of the matter is they are still the best we have at this moment in time. The building for the future thing is also a double edged sword, if these youngsters come in and fail badly there confidence could take such a knock that it takes a long time to recover. Im british and im proud and whoever pulls on the race jacket i will support 100 per cent and i really hope these kids do the buisness but i just think a clanger has been dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Its almost as if some people are taking this as a slur on behalf of both riders................... dont you think that they would have appreciated a better strength in depth squad when they were at their peak? As a speedway nation we cannot continue going into every SWC with three flaky 9 pointers (incl bp's) an 8 ....and a 7................and yes that isnt even across all 3 leagues is it? Just the British League.............. im glad that finally someone has had the nuts to compare that to what the Aussies, Danes, Poles and Swedes are able to muster up across all 3 leagues ....and to finally try to do something about it before we are matched by the Russians and Germans the best way to change that is to take a step back when we have a promising crop of kids ... and to give them as much experience of what is expected at the highest level as possible............ by next season we will have that much more experience in the squad with both Rico and Scott hopefully on top of their game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Picking youngsters who will do better later on like woffiden And Bridger makes sense even if they were not in the top 5 at the moment but ,King is not good enough and he won't be good enough Today or Tommorow . If we going to make no effort to win and blood youngsters lets go the whole hog and put people like Lawsonin etc in at least they may become a world class rider at one stage something king has no chance of ever doing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Addison Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Whatever happens at Peterborough i want to applaud Rob Lyon for his selection. I think he's spot on. Nice to see Tatum putting even more pressure on young Danny King already by questioning his selection though, not ! Lining himself up for an ' i told you so ' smug reaction if he doesnt do well ? I think on form all the young lads DESERVE to be in and it has to be the way to go for the future. Of course it doesnt mean the team will be the same if we get to Leszno, Richardson will surely come in then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Addison Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Yea of course he is thats why he was a world under 21 champion thats why he scored a world cup max thats why he been out top scorer in world cups that why he's been our top scorer in world cup finals thats why he's been place twice in gp's . No doubt sweden and poland where he is yet again our top rider and he does well contain no top riders .? I Never seen a post like yours that is so far wide of the mark total rubbish . He was absolutely dire in last years WC . I can still see his haunted blank staring expression in the pits as we were getting mullered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Brave move naming a young team, but lets face it, even being held at Peternorough, Team GB wont beat Poland and Coventry even with Scott and Lee in. The only worry in this must be the fact the team finishing fourth go out straight away and Slovenia will have Zagar and Vaculik in the team who could easily score 25 between them at EoES. However, should they qualify for the race-off, the team can be renamed with Nicholls and Richardson in to replace most likely, King and Bridger. Richardson is currently our best rider. The guy doesn't have a clue. Maybe the team is based upon riders that can fight for every point and not just gate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Picking youngsters who will do better later on like woffiden And Bridger makes sense even if they were not in the top 5 at the moment but ,King is not good enough and he won't be good enough Today or Tommorow . If we going to make no effort to win and blood youngsters lets go the whole hog and put people like Lawsonin etc in at least they may become a world class rider at one stage something king has no chance of ever doing . why not put in some 15 year olds? reckon we are getting a bit silly now who says Danny King won't make it? Is he still not young? and especially for the Elite League? His progress has been slower than expected as I was suggesting in earlier posts but that does not mean that he wont get there or indeed that he is running out of time..... whereas a couple of the other squad members are I notice you missed Ed out there as well and yet there we have a guy who improves year on year and has moved up to a genuine level of quality now......................... I suspect that boring tribal nonsense is being mixed up here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 why not put in some 15 year olds? reckon we are getting a bit silly now who says Danny King won't make it? Is he still not young? Why ? King is never going to cut it on a world stage and so picking him is waste of time on both fronts . Nearly all of us are saying the team is not being pick on merit or trying to win so we might as wel go the whole hog . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Addison Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) why not put in some 15 year olds? reckon we are getting a bit silly now who says Danny King won't make it? Is he still not young? and especially for the Elite League? His progress has been slower than expected as I was suggesting in earlier posts but that does not mean that he wont get there or indeed that he is running out of time..... whereas a couple of the other squad members are I notice you missed Ed out there as well and yet there we have a guy who improves year on year and has moved up to a genuine level of quality now......................... I suspect that boring tribal nonsense is being mixed up here Good post. Eddie Kennet was i rider i wasnt impressed with 2 or 3 years ago. On the bigger tracks like Sheffield he looked like a novice. Now he looks a different rider. I always look forward to watching him race and he gives it 100% Id pay good money to watch this talented lad now. Some people on here have ties to riders that either ride for their team or used to and they are simply biased. You have to give the youngsters a chance and more importantly you have to PUSH them. No good blooding them in meaningless test matches against Denmark or Sweden. Put them in these pressure cooker situations. And another thing, i havent see too much TEAM SPIRIT in the GB camp last year or two.Hardly surprising with the Nicholls / Harris spat. Better if Nicholls is a hundred miles away and lets see these lads back each other up like the Aussies and Danes do. I'll be chearing for this team GB far more than any other in the last 3-4 years. I wish i could get to Peterborough now ! Edited June 29, 2009 by Down in the Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I would like to thank Rob Lyon for actually doing the right thing for the future of british speedway. I was quite shocked to see Danny King in, as i thought Rico might have got the nod. However im delighted that he is giving the youngsters a go. Bottom line is we aren't going to win the world cup this year, or next for that matter so give these guys the experience now and we will find out if they are good enough or will be good enough in the future. It irritates me when i hear kelvin tatum saying things like "theres a lack of experience there". How are these guys supposed to get it? Other countries give the young lads a go so im glad we are, it wouldnt surprise me to see young Darcy line up for the Aussies for example! Nicholls hasnt been good enough and i do expect to see Rico come in for Leszno (as long as we get there) probably for either King or Bridger. However i wouldnt bring Nicholls in! All in all well done Mr Lyon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Good post. Eddie Kennet was i rider i wasnt impressed with 2 or 3 years ago. On the bigger tracks like Sheffield he looked like a novice. Now he looks a different rider. I always look forward to watching him race and he gives it 100% Id pay good money to watch this talented lad now. Some people on here have ties to riders that either ride for their team or used to and they are simply biased. You have to give the youngsters a chance and more importantly you have to PUSH them. No good blooding them in meaningless test matches against Denmark or Sweden. Put them in these pressure cooker situations. And another thing, i havent see too much TEAM SPIRIT in the GB camp last year or two.Hardly surprising with the Nicholls / Harris spat. Better if Nicholls is a hundred miles away and lets see these lads back each other up like the Aussies and Danes do. I'll be chearing for this team GB far more than any other in the last 3-4 years. I believe Nicholls is still captain so will he not still be there in a 'non riding' capacity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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