Fromafar Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Have to say Nicholl's was completely at fault, There was NO need whatsoever to do what he did. Its also not the first time incidents involving him have occured. Such as taking out Chris Harris to name but one example. You can see from the video that Nicholls made a dive under and attempted to take out the young Russian rider, In fact it was so tight that Emil's back wheel almost hit Scotts. Emil went up to have a word with Scott and probably to tell him rightly so that dangerous riding such as that is in NO way acceptable. This is where accidents happen! There's hard riding and there's deliberate taking out - This is the latter. Its sad that young riders have such appauling role models such as Nicholls to look up to... Very unprofessional behaviour. You must have a different video to me then. Some of the other manouvers must have had you hiding under the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Have to say Nicholl's was completely at fault, There was NO need whatsoever to do what he did. Its also not the first time incidents involving him have occured. Such as taking out Chris Harris to name but one example. You can see from the video that Nicholls made a dive under and attempted to take out the young Russian rider, In fact it was so tight that Emil's back wheel almost hit Scotts. Emil went up to have a word with Scott and probably to tell him rightly so that dangerous riding such as that is in NO way acceptable. This is where accidents happen! There's hard riding and there's deliberate taking out - This is the latter. Its sad that young riders have such appauling role models such as Nicholls to look up to... Very unprofessional behaviour. Completely wrong.Emil spat out his dummy big time,Nicholls had every right to be livid with Emil after he almost fenced him coming out of turn two on lap one,it was hard racing from Nicholls and if Emil cant take it then he is better off out of the GP series.As for the Russians pit crew,what a complete disgrace they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 You must have a different video to me then. Some of the other manouvers must have had you hiding under the table I agree i dont thing Scotty did anything wrong, This russian kid is good but he does seem to spit the dummy out quite a bit, what was really disgraceful is when his pit crew ( i think it was ashley holloway) had a poke at Scott in the tunnel. Emil no doubt has the skill to go right to the very top of our sport but IMO he needs an attitude change. Completely wrong.Emil spat out his dummy big time,Nicholls had every right to be livid with Emil after he almost fenced him coming out of turn two on lap one,it was hard racing from Nicholls and if Emil cant take it then he is better off out of the GP series.As for the Russians pit crew,what a complete disgrace they are. you posted it as i was writing it lol !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed_Way Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 You must have a different video to me then. Some of the other manouvers must have had you hiding under the table I'm referring to the last bend, where you can see the way Nicholls is riding is aggressive and moving the Russian rider wider and wider and when they reach the straight Nicholls actually moves directly in line in front of Emil and you can see that his dirt deflector and back wheel miss Emil's back wheel by inches. Obviously Emil would have had to shut off to avoid quite a pile-up. I ride speedway myself and aggressive riding such as this is quite frankly dangerous and un-called for. Yes there is hard racing, but deliberately taking out other riders is unacceptable and is what leads to alot of accidents in speedway that shouldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Bee Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Have to say Nicholl's was completely at fault, There was NO need whatsoever to do what he did. Its also not the first time incidents involving him have occured. Such as taking out Chris Harris to name but one example. You can see from the video that Nicholls made a dive under and attempted to take out the young Russian rider, In fact it was so tight that Emil's back wheel almost hit Scotts. Emil went up to have a word with Scott and probably to tell him rightly so that dangerous riding such as that is in NO way acceptable. This is where accidents happen! There's hard riding and there's deliberate taking out - This is the latter. Its sad that young riders have such appauling role models such as Nicholls to look up to... Very unprofessional behaviour. Is this meant to be a wind up because if not I dont think you should bother watching anymore speedway if you think nicholls was at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) I'm referring to the last bend, where you can see the way Nicholls is riding is aggressive and moving the Russian rider wider and wider and when they reach the straight Nicholls actually moves directly in line in front of Emil and you can see that his dirt deflector and back wheel miss Emil's back wheel by inches. Obviously Emil would have had to shut off to avoid quite a pile-up. I ride speedway myself and aggressive riding such as this is quite frankly dangerous and un-called for. Yes there is hard racing, but deliberately taking out other riders is unacceptable and is what leads to alot of accidents in speedway that shouldn't happen. Your not going to make a GP rider I'm afraid Speedway is dangerous. Tiddleywinks for you Edited June 28, 2009 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Speedwaygp.com says the attandance was 42,000. What was last years as the crowd looked more sparse this year and I would suggest at least 5,000 less ? That's how I saw it as well. Last year the crowd was bigger. The bottom and middle tier were full and the back straight pretty full. This year there were quite a few empty seats in all tiers. Couple of reasons IMO. One, the recession is keeping people at home, and secondly, fans don't have "their" club man to cheer on. Only a few of the riders are in the EL so fans don't have a connection with a certain rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Re Emil / Scott incident. They were meant to be in front of the jury straight after the meeting, so why hasn't news been put out as to what the punishment is? Would expect a fine, and suspended ban. http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2009/06/...przez-jury-fim/ Emil $600, Nicholls $500. Emil has accepted to pay, Nicholls has not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 i will most proberly get in trouble for saying this but if the riders want to have a barney DONT stop them,let them huff and puff until they have puffed each other out!!.In ice Hockey which is a family sport as well thats exactly what they do.who going to get hurt anyway .Sky showed it on their news channel and till this day craig Boyce career is rememered for one thing!!What is the problem with handbags being used,iwasnt thinking someone was going to get hurt,iwas thinking what a laugh this is!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Have to say Nicholl's was completely at fault, There was NO need whatsoever to do what he did. Its also not the first time incidents involving him have occured. Such as taking out Chris Harris to name but one example. You can see from the video that Nicholls made a dive under and attempted to take out the young Russian rider, In fact it was so tight that Emil's back wheel almost hit Scotts. Emil went up to have a word with Scott and probably to tell him rightly so that dangerous riding such as that is in NO way acceptable. This is where accidents happen! There's hard riding and there's deliberate taking out - This is the latter. Its sad that young riders have such appauling role models such as Nicholls to look up to... Very unprofessional behaviour. I'm amazed you can say Scott was at fault or accuse him of trying to take him out. He ran him wide to defend his line like he is entitled to do and yes it was hard but definately fair. I think you will find yourself in a very small minority on this one. I appreciate you ride speedway and hats off to you for that, but Chris Louis, Mark Loram, Sam Ermalenko and Kelvin Tatum all ride/rode too (and no disrespect to you but probably at a higher level) and they were quite clear that Scott did nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I'm amazed you can say Scott was at fault or accuse him of trying to take him out. He ran him wide to defend his line like he is entitled to do and yes it was hard but definately fair. I think you will find yourself in a very small minority on this one. I appreciate you ride speedway and hats off to you for that, but Chris Louis, Mark Loram, Sam Ermalenko and Kelvin Tatum all ride/rode too (and no disrespect to you but probably at a higher level) and they were quite clear that Scott did nothing wrong. Agree100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2009/06/...przez-jury-fim/ Emil $600, Nicholls $500. Emil has accepted to pay, Nicholls has not. I expect that Emil will get the fine paid for him but I doubt that Scott would. Also he would have to add that to the fine will receive in turning up late for the Swindon match last Thursday. £300 seems to be the going rate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I expect that Emil will get the fine paid for him but I doubt that Scott would. Also he would have to add that to the fine will receive in turning up late for the Swindon match last Thursday. £300 seems to be the going rate! And taking into consideration that Wroclaw don't want him at least for some time (not that he's been making big money there scoring a point or two this yr), he may have to take out some loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) i will most proberly get in trouble for saying this but if the riders want to have a barney DONT stop them,let them huff and puff until they have puffed each other out!!.In ice Hockey which is a family sport as well thats exactly what they do.who going to get hurt anyway .Sky showed it on their news channel and till this day craig Boyce career is rememered for one thing!!What is the problem with handbags being used,iwasnt thinking someone was going to get hurt,iwas thinking what a laugh this is!!! I agree with you - let's be honest it was hardly at the level you get in ice hockey either. Both of them had their helmets on FFS they weren't exactly going to come to any harm! This isn't some new 'decline' in the behaviour at speedway - a few handbags after a dodgy incidnet have happened at every track in the country at some point. Some people on here would have had the 'vapours' if they went to Wolves/Eastbourne matches in the 90's.....if there WASN'T a punch up at some point then everyone went home disappointed! With regards to the Pedersen exclusion - someone on the TV mentioned that the refs may have been told to exclude SOMEONE if the race is stopped. If this is the case then if the ref thought Hans hadn't done enought to cause Nicki to fall - and HAD to exclude someone - then he excluded the 'cause of the stoppage'......in this case the bloke on the deck - ie Pedersen. In the earlier running with Bomber he may have thought that Bomber DID cause Hans to fall so exlcuded him. Although in both cases it should have been all 4/3 back imho it may be that the ref saw it as I described above. With regards to drunken fans - I enjoy a pint or two on occasions but I've never understood the mentality behind paying shed loads of money for an event and then getting so paraletic that you can't even stand let alone enjoy the entertainment. We went to see Oasis in Manchester earlier this month and a lot of the crowd were completely out of it - one bloke was led on the floor in front of us for about 3 songs before the St Johns carted him off....I'll bet he told his mates the next day that the concert was brilliant but in reality he saw NOTHING. The same applies to Cardiff - whay pay all that money to watch the speedway then get so out of it you don't even know who won until you watch the TV the next day! Edited June 28, 2009 by lupus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I have heard that refs are told that all 4 back should not be used unless its a mix up concerning more than one rider falling. Heat 1 and Emil lifts and goes in front of Rune Holta who laid his bike down brilliantly. For me, Emil was lucky not to have been excluded for that as Rune took the safest move in a split second and safety should come first. Heat 5 and the Scott ~ Emil incident. Emils front wheel did get caught by Scott as they entered turn three, but not by much and this was just a good hard but fair ride by Emil who should have really accepted it as a hard race he for once lost out on. What followed appears to have esculated due to Scott telling him where to go and this got tempers going. After a few pushes, Scott kept leaning on Emil which led to them both hitting the air fence. Scott could have driven off, made a gesture and laughed it off, but he admitted his temper is quite short at the moment due to the flack he is getting and the season he is having. Heat 17 and Crumpy makes a mistake by going too wide. He tries to lock up to stop drifting but AJ is riding a steady line and only the actions of Crump locking up caused the accident. The ref looked at it that AJ collided with Crump and should be excluded but didn't take into account the line taken by Crump. Semi-Final 2, 1st attempt and Andersen gets a slight knock which slows him down. As in the heat 17 incident, Harris is riding a steady line and they have a slight collision and Hans goes down. As the ref had decided in heat 17, the fault lies with the rider that made the contact and not the line of the other rider who in my opinion decided to make the most of the situation and hope for a rerun. Semi-Final 2, 2nd attempt and this time the rider that falls gets excluded. Is this an inconsistant call by the ref ? The other two incidents were where riders that were behind collided with a rider that was in front of them. To me, Nicki was trailing, attempted to try and clamp down Andersen but in doing so he was hit by Hans and went down. Remember this is a race where you have to finish in the top two or your night is over. Had this been heat 3 say, I think Nicki would have held on, kept control and made sure of the third place. This time the ref decided Nicki looked for the rerun and went for an inside line on the track that was not available. Overall, the meeting was very good. Plenty of close racing, no real ruts appearing and with one race left each, only two riders were out of the running for a semi-final place. Didn't think the atmosphere was as good this year as the last two, but its still pretty special and long may it continue. Lets now hope JC has a nightmare round next time and the pack can close the gap on him as he looks in a different league at present. PS; Have to say the white start girl was the best I have seen at any GP for sometime ~ no wonder that gate worked well http://speedwaygp.com/img/photos/2009_06/c..._340f220top.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 God I wish some people would get a life!! All they same to do is moan,moan,moan. Not many have made a big deal of it as you ask because it isn't a big issue to most sensible fans. Yes it is an individual event but what about when Greg Hancock and Billy Hamill were a team?, what about when Mark Loram and Leigh Adams were a team? I seemed to remember reading it was the best thing to happen to the sport as it made it look more professional. Yes I know Emil and Hans are not a team but they could be team mates at another club or best mates off track and to me if you are in trouble you try and help your friends. I am sure not many would of moaned if a rider had loaned a British rider a bike and he had won the final on it No sir, it wasn't a moan, moan, moan, as you put it. Your poor arguement is about the old days, when riders teamed up for a very shortwhile. Nowadays we have betting in running, all that will have to stop if we have riders lending bikes to each other. The bookies cant lay odds if they dont know if a poor rider is coming out on his usual machine, or one of the faster guys has lent him one. Emil and Hans dont ride for the same team in Sweden or Poland, it was purely a case of Emil's team trying to beat Jason by offering <what they felt was> a faster bike. To the best of my knowledge it's never happened before, and certainly not at the sharp end of a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 having just come back from my hoiday this morning and having missed my first cardiff just seen the fight on toutube, to be frank i appreciate emil is a young man and full of fire, which makes him interesting.... but scott did nothing wrong at all, a perfectly valid move, the GP's are ough, i liked scotts right hander as well, must have hirt him smacking the helemt... can we have more of this please? that 30 seconds more drama than the whole of the danish gp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2009/06/...przez-jury-fim/ Emil $600, Nicholls $500. Emil has accepted to pay, Nicholls has not. Emil should pay he was the cause of it all and Ashley Holloway should be banned from the gp pits as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 The bookies cant lay odds if they dont know if a poor rider is coming out on his usual machine, What a load of crap!! Riders let alone bookies don't even know until the meeting itself which is their fastest bike(that's why they have practice) and just because Hans didn't have a "good bike" doesn't make him a poor rider. I bet Leigh Adams isn't amongst the bookies favourites at the next Grand Prix but he could quite easily go out and win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflyingflea Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Great meeting last night and the best i can remember of all of them. Read people moaning about the queen tribute act- they were ok as far as i could see, the sound system isn't up to much so you just need loud guitars which is what we got. The floating ballerinas or whatever were ok, something different and combined with queen it was loads better than every act bar tony hadley imo. The racing is what we're there for, and i thought it was the best track they've put down in the 9 years- smooth and almost withoutruts, it was better than a lot of permanent tracks i've seen this year! was nice to see some good overtaking, and proper racing rather than mistakes leading to dropped placings. The crowd was interesting too- i don't know what otherposters were looking at but it looked bigger than last year to me- many more in the upper tier and spread further round as well. The issue that I can see is not the entertainment (racing and pre show great), but the lack of a decent world class british rider to follow. I don't think it's the lack of a rider from a club to follow that's the problem- it's still a great day out and if you follow certain riders possibly your only chance of seeing them this year. In some ways it's a good thing as it makes the meeting MORE special, as you won't see them round your own track next week. The main issue for me is that Scott's struggling and has never been (or ever will be) world class, and try as hard as Chris Harris does, he's not sharp enough at this level. The aim for Rob Lyon and team MUST be to start working on the long term plan he was outlining in the programme- we should be looking at 5 years time having 2 world class riders who can claim a world championship and win GP's semi regularly. Until then, it will always have the flatening of emotion once the 'plucky' brit has been eliminated from the semi. One thing i wasn't happy about (only one!) was the chris harris interview where he acepoted the semi ruling and said he'd be back next year to try again. I hope he was just trying to look positively, because otherwise that suggests that he thinks one ofr the seeded places is his- and i don't think that should be taken for granted. until we get brits qualifying and staying in the series by right, i think we should be viewing on past performance or future potential. on current standings, that should mean tai woffinden/bridger/kennett etc rather than chris who 2007 brit gp apart has not done much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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