Cardiff 2009

[Mateusz]

NO the other riders paid his fine and said they would go on strike if any ban was enforced . hope someone will start a collection to pay Scott;s fine

Or what - everyone's gonna go on strike for Nicholls?

[Steve Shovlar]

Im sure you recorded it so take off your poole coloured glasses and have another look at the harris 'pedersen exclusions

the tv pundits did'nt think it was fair and neither did anyone else but then again andersen rides for poole so how could he be in the wrong

 

Eh? You obviously didn't read my post. I said I wanted Harris to go through to the final but it was a simple call. Harris knocked off Andersen. Just because Andersen rides for Poole at the moment doesn't mean I automatically support him in the GP series. I never have done before and just because he rides for my club for part of a season doesn't change anything.

 

I was not biased at all, or if anything Pro Harris, but the ref got it absolutely spot on and excluded the correct rider.

[TrueBee]

The incident as I saw it was Andersen pulled a small locker and Bomber was just riding his line. I don't see why it couldn't have been all four back but it seemed very harsh to exclude Bomber imo. Once the ref had then Hans should have been excluded in the next run.

Edited June 27, 2009 by TrueBee

[Steve Shovlar]

Well Done to Jason on an awesome display. The most complete GP performance for a long time, 7 rides, 7 wins. I am surprised that either SKY or Steve Brandon didn't mention that he broke TRick's record for GP victories tonight.

 

But lets be honest he is hardly in the same class. Who many extra GPs did it take him? TRick was head and shoulders the better rider.

[speedibee]

Eh? You obviously didn't read my post. I said I wanted Harris to go through to the final but it was a simple call. Harris knocked off Andersen. Just because Andersen rides for Poole at the moment doesn't mean I automatically support him in the GP series. I never have done before and just because he rides for my club for part of a season doesn't change anything.

 

I was not biased at all, or if anything Pro Harris, but the ref got it absolutely spot on and excluded the correct rider.

Have you looked at the slo.mos Chris' dirt deflector touched his wheel and he threw the bike down .his dirt deflector touched nicki's and nicki threw the bike down but each time andersen got the decision .

 

Or what - everyone's gonna go on strike for Nicholls?

Maybe not at the moment but even the great Tomasz Gollob had to start somewhere

[Steve Shovlar]

Have you looked at the slo.mos Chris' dirt deflector touched his wheel and he threw the bike down .his dirt deflector touched nicki's and nicki threw the bike down but each time andersen got the decision .

 

 

And both decisions were completely correct. I couldn't give two hoots if Andersen had been excluded, but both times the ref got it right. The only time he got it wrong was when Jonsson was excluded when Crump overlocked.

[wotnoaj]

Thought it was a fairly decent GP tonight. Crumpy is back to the top of his game at the moment, he's riding and conducting himself like a Champion and I hope he goes all the way.

 

Referee was poor again unfortunately. Hans was very astute in going down as he knew he'd messed up and knew there was a good chance Harris would be excluded. I don't blame him though, he did what he had to do and it's up to the officials to see through things like that. As for excluding Pedersen shortly after, well thats the worst decision I've seen since last year at Cardiff (Bjarne & Adams).

 

As for the scrap, I feel a fine is sufficient for both with maybe a suspended ban pending any further agro. Maybe they should be made to apologise publicly.

I think it's great to see fresh talent like Emil lighting up the GP series but he needs to learn that he can't throw his toys out of his pram when things don't go his way. Scott was hard but was certainly fair. Emil was aslo was lucky not to get a right hook from Pedersen in Denmark.

 

Such a shame to see Adams struggling so badly. He is a classy rider and it's hard to figure out what has happened but I hope he can get it sorted soon.

 

As for Charlie, she is doing alright. She's enthusiastic,she's got a pleasant manner, she seems to enjoy the job and let's face it, she is much nicer to look at than Chris Loius!

[Brummie Kev]

Such a shame to see Adams struggling so badly. He is a classy rider and it's hard to figure out what has happened but I hope he can get it sorted soon.

 

Totally Agree, Its so bad to see Leigh Adams struggling the way he is, you do wonder whether this will be his last year in the GP series.

Edited June 27, 2009 by Brummie Kev

[tomcat]

First time in 2 years I have actually been able to watch the British GP.... Sky coverage was good again, and despite what others may say about it...I like Moley... made us chuckle when he kept appearing with his Union Jack scarf and flag to wave. It adds a bit of humour and the kids love it.

 

As for the GP itself, thoroughly enjoyed it, racing was pretty good, track was good, hope it

is a sign of things to come for the rest of the GP's and Scotty finally showed his passion.

OK, he didnt make the semi's, but after the dustup with that Russian Big Girls Blouse, it finally got Scotty fired up and racing hard, instead of looking beaten before the first bend.

As for the actual incident, the Russkie showed his true colours in the last GP.

 

To be fair to Nicki P, he couldn't do a lot about what happened, then the Russkie throws a tantrum at Nicki while he was laying on the track. Thats put me against the idiot straight away, then with tonights tantrum, well I think he is too wrapped up in his own hype.

Yes, he is a talent, of that there is no doubt, but he just wasn't good enough tonight, Scott did nothing wrong, it was a hard but fair move.

To start throwing his weight...or lack of it, about because he got taught a lesson in how to race hard, was the final straw. If he isnt careful, someone is going to really stuff him in a race, as Hans likes to say, "What goes around, comes around"......!!

Like his so called Manager/Advisor Andy Holloway...that was completely out of order.

The riders were dealing with it in their own way, why did he have to wade into Scott in the pit tunnel?? As someone else has said, if I was the organisers of the GP series, I'd ban the idiot from GP's for the rest of the season at least and dish out a hefty fine.

 

Bomber was unlucky, Yes he did touch Hans, but to be honest, it wasn't really enough to knock Hans off, Hans knew that, you only have to look at the theatrical fall. He knew he was going to be relegated to the back, so went down. Unfortunately for Chris, the rules are the rules and through minimal contact, he was at fault on that score.

 

Nicki P was hard done by, he was definitely hit by Hans, and as Nicki says, where's the

consistency with these refs?? I'm not a Nicki P fan at all, but fairs fair, had it been the other way around, I reckon its a fair bet that Nicki would have been put out of the re-run.

 

Crumpy fully deserved his win, he was definitely head and shoulders above anyone else out there this eveing, so Well Done and barring and silly mistakes, the title looks to be heading back to the Crump Trophy Cabinet for 2009.

 

And hard Luck to Eddie, looked pretty quick, but just kept letting places go.

He has time on his side and if he gets a full time GP slot in the future, I'm sure he will do us proud.

 

Felt sorry for Holta too, hitting the 'trench' on the back straight.... I know the rules state that the rider that caused the stoppage must be disqualified/excluded, but what the..... How can he miss a big hole in the track. Lucky to get away with that one, on the injury front that is.

 

As for Hans Andersen.... what a silly little boy he is. He plays games on track to get riders

excluded, then borrows the Russkies bike and proceeds to run it in in the post meeting interview.

Again, he has now gone down in my estimation. I used to like Hans, but seeing and hearing some of the inflamatory remarks he keeps making I have lost and respect I had for him.

 

Just one question...someone may know for sure, but was that Chris Louis' former spannerman, Nigel Wells in Scotty's corner tonight...certainly looked like him on TV.

If it is Wellsy, Scott has gotten himself a top mechanic there, been around a long time, seen it all and will be good for Scotty in general.

 

Anyhooo... All in all an enjoyable meeting, had a bit of everything in there, close racing,

good old fashioned fisty cuffs and plenty of incidents.

 

Now its onto the SWC...C'Mon Team GB....!!

Edited June 27, 2009 by tomcat

[speedibee]

Totally Agree, Its so bad to see Leigh Adams struggling the way he is you do wonder whether this will be his last year in the GP series.

would'nt surpise me if this was his last year in speedway altogether . Did you ask on another thread about the trouble between the gb fans and the poles ? well my son texted me to say that he was caught up in the middle of quite a large brawl up on the third tier .

[Brummie Kev]

Did you ask on another thread about the trouble between the gb fans and the poles ? well my son texted me to say that he was caught up in the middle of quite a large brawl up on the third tier .

 

 

I did ask but that thread has vanished (Mod: is this - http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...&p=1531576- the post you meant? Please note it has not vanished Easiest way to check is to look in your posts section of your profile), its terrible if thats the case the last thing we need in this sport. Anyone been arrested?.

[shirls]

Is there anyone that recorded this meeting that would kindly sell me a copy please, my DVD recorder packed up so i was'nt able to record it.

[acef]

Just got back. A mediocre British GP IMO with Crump dominant. Made it all a bit lacklustre. He should have been excluded when he slightly looked up and Jonsson had nowhere to go and went into him. Ref got that one wrong but the only difference it would have made was that Crump would have been three points less than he is at this moment.

 

Both Pedersen and Harris were rightly excluded. Had to laugh when all around me were booing Andersen. I wanted Harris to stay in but it was obvious he was at fault. Same with Pedersen he didn't have a leg to stand on.

 

Funny watching the ruckus between Nicholls and Saifudinov. Scott did nothing wrong and Emil picked on the wrong guy to have a go at. This is GP and hard riding is the order of the day.

 

Crowd a fair bit down on last year, possibly 5000 less. Still an entertaining day and again I won't spend a penny over £30 for a ticket. Purchased £60 face value tickets for £30 outside and found ourselves on the middle teir at the apex to the 3rd/4th bend. We eye baled some great seats middle tier opposiite the starting gate and after heat 4 moved to them. No problems, free flag and superb seats. Until it's sold out I see no reason not to do the same every year.

 

So Crump has it in the bag. Shame but Nicki is not in the form of last year and until Holder and Lindback come into the series, along with Kennett, Zagar and a few more youngsters to threaten the boring old farts, we will might have to suffer a couple more seasons of this.

 

Adams looks like he is ready to fall on his sword which has to be good news, and Hancock can't be far behind.

 

And one more thing. For gods sake the music is 90% hogwash. A few decent numbers to get the crowd going but it was child like at times. The Hokey Cokey for Christs sake!!

 

There's plenty of tracks to get the crowd going, not rubbish like that.

 

 

What a strange perception of speedway you have

 

I agree with Harris, he went slightly off his line and made contact with Andersen, although Hans did put the bike down VERY easily. The other two, absolutely absurd opinion. Crump was taken clean out by Jonsson, it wasnt to dissimilar to the Harris/Andersen clash yet there you accept Chris was fairly excluded????

 

Niki, as much as I dislike the man, should not have been excluded. All three back and some consistant refing decisions would have been better. Both Hans and Niki gated, (and Im watching the replay as I type this on SSN) Hans got their marginally first but how could Niki have turned the bike? First bend bunching, and had that been the EL it would have been all four back. Officials coming down very hard on Pedersen at the moment, but I cant say Im concerned.

[speedibee]

I did ask but that thread has vanished (Mod: is this - http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...&p=1531576- the post you meant? Please note it has not vanished Easiest way to check is to look in your posts section of your profile), its terrible if thats the case the last thing we need in this sport. Anyone been arrested?.

I dont anything about any arrests . he just let us know he was ok in case we saw the trouble on tv and were concerned .

[WembleyLion]

Just back home and I would like to say well done Jason who was terrific.

 

Hard luck to Bomber, on another day or if he had not been at the back, Hans might not have fallen.

 

Whilst not condoning the actions of Scott I have been thinking for sometime now that sooner or later someone was going to lamp Sayfutdinov. I didn't actually realise how unpopular he (Sayfutdinov) is until attending the Copenhagen and Cardiff GP's.

 

As for Ashley Holloway surely he must be banned from entering the pits area in future.

Edited June 27, 2009 by WembleyLion

[T.N.T.]

Just got back and will watch the replays tomorrow.

 

I am a big Emil Sayfutdinov fan and in league racing I like Scott Nicholls, so to see them both get involved in an on track fight wasnt great to see. Now many will think I'm going to back up Emil here, but your wrong. I will watch the replay tomorrow but for me Scott rode a good hard race and Emils brave moves just didn't pay off.

 

Maybe we will never know what was said as they rolled back to the pits, but we do know Scott appologised for his short temper. Maybe Scott had told Emil to go forth and he took exception to it, but my initial reaction is Emil should have just put it down to a hard race that he lost out on.

 

 

Overall, a preety good meeting, some good tight tussles and Fredrik Lindgren having a good GP and a deserved rostrum place for the leagues number one rider. No one was going to get close to Crumpy tonight and well done to him, but now it looks like everyone else is chasing the #2 race jacket for 2010.

[spin king]

Totally Agree, Its so bad to see Leigh Adams struggling the way he is, you do wonder whether this will be his last year in the GP series.

Have to totally agree,this season he just does not seem to be the same rider, maybe this will be his last season in the Grand Prix, he has now dropped down to 12th in the rankings, and a Aussie wild card would be given to Chris Holder I think rather than Leigh Adams.

[DK Rides Again]

And both decisions were completely correct. I couldn't give two hoots if Andersen had been excluded, but both times the ref got it right. The only time he got it wrong was when Jonsson was excluded when Crump overlocked.

 

 

I don't see how you can possibly reach that conclusion; both incidents were virtually identical and yet, on the first occasion, the rider that hit another rider was deemed to be the cause of the stoppage, in the second, it was the rider that fell.

 

One of those decisions was right, but both of them can't be (and I don't really care who wins, who doesn't or who gets excluded).

 

There is a definite problem with consistancy in refereeing, even it seems (according to the Sky coverage) when the question comes up as to when a ref pushes the red light button.

 

But there is a bigger problem with the way the rules are set out and how competitors want to absolve themselves from blame by passing the buck to officials, and then not agree with that decision (and not just in speedway).

 

To my mind, all of the incidents in that meeting were 'racing accidents'; I didn't see anything that looked malicious to me, given that these are meant to be big boys racing at the highest level of, what promotes itself to be, a professional sport.

 

There's too much emphasis on too many rules these days; if you want to compete at the highest level of racing, you can expect to be knocked off the odd time, so it's up to you to either avoid it, learn how to cope with it without falling over, or pick yourself up and start again.

 

If you can't get up, then the ref can stop the race and start it again with whoever's left to be in the race; if it's blatently obvious that a rider has disadvantaged another, then exclude him.

 

Other than that, if you want to race, expect some knocks and deal with it, it's the name of the game.

Edited June 28, 2009 by DK Rides Again

[wotnoaj]

Have to agree with you there DK, good post.

[DK Rides Again]

Have to agree with you there DK, good post.

 

Thanks for saying that, I really get so frustrated with watching racing (of all sorts, 4 wheels and 2) these days.

 

In my day, you went racing with the intention of either winning or having fun, or maybe both; if you were in a position to do it to win, you put up with having a few scrapes, that's what it was all about, you didn't have some spurious rule to rely on if you weren't good enough to make the grade on the day.

 

Speedway is meant to be about four blokes racing very closely, on bikes that don't have the advantage of having brakes or gears; in those circumstances, the riders should know how to control them in such a way that they don't fall off at the drop of a hat (Sayfutdinov proved he was capable of that in an early heat tonight) because that's what is quite likely to happen; except they have rules, that they can exploit, that allow them to fall off left, right and centre, and get another rider excluded as a result.

 

That's not racing, that's playing a game and, is I've said many times before, speedway suffers from being viewed by the outside world as being a game; when it grows up and becomes a sport, then it might progress and grow.

 

If I had been refereeing tonight, here's what my decisions would've been; Jonsson wouldn't have been excluded for the 'racing accident', the Harris/Andersen incidents would've been all riders back (or possibly the fallers would've been excluded for not getting up/falling when they really shouldn't have) and Nicholls and Sayfutdinov would've been watching the meeting from the stands for bringing the sport into disrepute.

Edited June 28, 2009 by DK Rides Again