wolfy Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Personally i think Scotty only did what half the other riders have felt like doing. Emil needs to calm down a bit, he was out manourvered on the last bend and did not like it but it was fair. It appears he and his team think they are something they are not yet, i admit he maybe in the future but he has to earn it over longer than a few GP's and so far he is not gaining many friends. wolfy!!!! Edited June 29, 2009 by wolfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Was anyone else as disgusted as I was at the insult to Barry Briggs on Saturday being asked only to present the 3rd place award? For someone of his standing in the sport to be upstaged by a couple of nonentities, improperly dressed in one case was degrading. Shame on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sancho Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Isn't it amazing that Emil find the move Scott put on him as harsh but it was quite ok to dive under Rune run into the back of Nikki & cause Rune to drop his bike. We have another rider who can dish it out but not take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Thanks for the link GoTigers but I've seen the footage plenty of times and no one can convince me that Scott didnt have right of way. Celticboy has hit the nail on the head saying it was 6 and half a dozen. Probably the most predictable thing to come out of all of this was the Scott haters laying all the blame on him. I'm not surprised in the slightest. At the time I remember thinking that they would be on here at the first opportunity to spout their clouded views. I'm not saying Scott is blameless, he was involved and has to take his punishment but to say Emil was not at fault is bias in the extreme. If he hadn't have kept on about it, it would not have come to blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Isn't it amazing that Emil find the move Scott put on him as harsh but it was quite ok to dive under Rune run into the back of Nikki & cause Rune to drop his bike. We have another rider who can dish it out but not take it Thats exactly how I saw it. Too many people with an axe to grind with Scott, who are being blinded by the sparks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Pearcey he was hardly going on about it the guy struggles with English so it was going to take him time to get his point across even in a calm enviroment but when the guy you want to discuss it with pushes you ofcourse he would get annoyed. I think you are the one being blinded by your "i love Scotty" Scott had the whole track to ride down into to stop any contact yet he decided to lean into Emil and but him into the gate. Why did Scott turn left before the gate and not right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Pearcey he was hardly going on about it the guy struggles with English so it was going to take him time to get his point across even in a calm enviroment but when the guy you want to discuss it with pushes you ofcourse he would get annoyed. I think you are the one being blinded by your "i love Scotty" Scott had the whole track to ride down into to stop any contact yet he decided to lean into Emil and but him into the gate. Why did Scott turn left before the gate and not right? Why did Emil have anything to say on the incident? It was hard and fair riding. Personally i think he was getting stressed as he lost in his first heat and last in Heat 5. He should have rode off into the pits instead of gestering to scotty that the move was unfair. Scotty was only defending what he did which is spot on as again the move was perfectly fair. Wolfy!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Pearcey he was hardly going on about it the guy struggles with English so it was going to take him time to get his point across even in a calm enviroment but when the guy you want to discuss it with pushes you ofcourse he would get annoyed. I think you are the one being blinded by your "i love Scotty" Scott had the whole track to ride down into to stop any contact yet he decided to lean into Emil and but him into the gate. Why did Scott turn left before the gate and not right? Sorry to dissapoint you Snyper but I'm not an 'I love Scotty' person or any other rider. I'm someone who believes in fairness and to blame one person in that incident is wrong. Whether Emil speaks English is irrelevant, it was quite clear what point he was trying to make and to be honest there wasnt much of a point to make, it was a fair move. Scott had the right of way going to the gate and Emil should have followed. Even if Emil was on his own he would have needed to turn right to get around the gate as he was heading for it. I've watched it several times now to see if I was wrong but in my opinion and probably the vast majority opinion is that Emil leant on/locked into Scott deliberatly, which is what made Scott push him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) I am not saying that Scott was right to get involved in the fisticuffs. I know Emil doesn't know much English but I am sure like most foreigners there are certain words he does know and they are not complinentary. Also the finger pointing on the way past Nicholls in the pits and from lip reading it looks like Scott walking forward is saying 'Now', gives the impression that Emil was saying 'I will have you'. May be wrong but look for yourself. If my assumption is correct, what a nice little fellow Emil is. NOT!! Also with regard to the actual riding incident, there wasn't one. Its not as if Scott even rode him to the fence, there was tons of room and this sort of ride was hard but fair and happens every day of the week in speedway racing, thats why its called racing. Whats the point of racing, if you don't try and block riders coming around you, cleanly obviously. This was just a normal race, nothing out of the ordinary from racing we see all the time, so why the big problem? Oh yes I forgot, its Scott Nicholls and he is always wrong. If he had let him pass, then everyone would have got on his back for letting the rider pass too easily. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Edited June 29, 2009 by scotty2hotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 . 'ear, 'ear. ! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Im not claiming he was hard done by on the track but he clearly felt something wasnt right. The least Scott could of done was listen to him and explain if Emil was rude or swearing scotty could of rode off and into the gate. Emil couldnt turn right to get into the pits as Scott wouldnt move over, why was that? because he was too busy leaning left into Emil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I am not saying that Scott was right to get involved in the fisticuffs. I know Emil doesn't know much English but I am sure like most foreigners there are certain words he does know and they are not complinentary. Also the finger pointing on the way past Nicholls in the pits and from lip reading it looks like Scott walking forward is saying 'Now', gives the impression that Emil was saying 'I will have you'. May be wrong but look for yourself. If my assumption is correct, what a nice little fellow Emil is. NOT!! Unlike that nice quiet Scott Nicholls who's never been involved in any aggro in his life has he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Can the organisors please book somebody different to do the music next year. I felt dissapointed when I left the stadium at the end without a luckbag & ice cream & jelly down my shirt. Bloody accordian music, the hokey 'kin cokey, & agabastarddoo at a major sporting event for God's sake, it was more like a 5 year olds birthday party. & don't start me on Nikki's exclusion......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Sorry Snyper but I have to disagree. Scott tried to move away a couple of times but Emil continued after him. If he wanted to make his point so badly he could have done it in the pits. As I've said, Scott is not blameless but he is not entirely to blame and I can only assume by your previous posts (glad he had a pish meeting, acting like a bairn etc) that your opinion is biased against Scott more than anything else and to be honest, your post more than others surprised me least of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusky Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 In my opinion the whole incident was very much a 6 and 2 three's issue, and as such neither could really be held responsible for the incident in its entirety - obviously the FIM held Emil more responsible in view of the fines handed down. Some of this is another case of 'what goes around comes around', as in years gone by Scott has not been afraid to put his point quite forcibly, and has in the past had a pits crew who were not afraid to settle disagreements in an aggressive manor (on occasions involving supporters as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Emil went after Scott because Scott had pushed him. Emil was talking to Scott first off. Scott made it physical Emil reacted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusky Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Can the organisors please book somebody different to do the music next year. I felt dissapointed when I left the stadium at the end without a luckbag & ice cream & jelly down my shirt. Bloody accordian music, the hokey 'kin cokey, & agabastarddoo at a major sporting event for God's sake, it was more like a 5 year olds birthday party. Ironically LT, my 5 year old who was making her first visit to Cardiff thought the music was brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajenkin Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I am not saying that Scott was right to get involved in the fisticuffs. I know Emil doesn't know much English but I am sure like most foreigners there are certain words he does know and they are not complinentary. Also the finger pointing on the way past Nicholls in the pits and from lip reading it looks like Scott walking forward is saying 'Now', gives the impression that Emil was saying 'I will have you'. May be wrong but look for yourself. If my assumption is correct, what a nice little fellow Emil is. NOT!! Also with regard to the actual riding incident, there wasn't one. Its not as if Scott even rode him to the fence, there was tons of room and this sort of ride was hard but fair and happens every day of the week in speedway racing, thats why its called racing. Whats the point of racing, if you don't try and block riders coming around you, cleanly obviously. This was just a normal race, nothing out of the ordinary from racing we see all the time, so why the big problem? Oh yes I forgot, its Scott Nicholls and he is always wrong. If he had let him pass, then everyone would have got on his back for letting the rider pass too easily. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I agree - there wasnt one thing wrong with Scott's race - he did his best to defend his position, and any other rider would have done the same. It was clear that Emil was hacked off and if I had been Scott I would also have fended the lad off - he was acting aggresively and his "in your face" actions needed a response. The way I see it Emil (who incidentally I am hoping will keep entertaining us with his on track skills) lost it and made all the running in that spat. Notice also that it was Emil who threw the first real punch - watch Scott's head snap back as he gets up from the fallen machine. Both will no doubt be reprimanded - but I hope just a warning about future conduct because this sport needs passion even if sometimes it spills over. I am no particular fan of Scott but at last he is showing some intestinal fortitude and giving the opposition something to think about when he is on track. All the brits showed up reasonably well - here's hoping Bomber and Scott have turned the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Unlike that nice quiet Scott Nicholls who's never been involved in any aggro in his life has he? with all due respect, how many riders haven't been involved in some sort of aggro in their career. There have been occasional times when I haven't been able to defend Scott's actions, but on this particular occasion, I believe he was goaded.If you look at the footage you will see Emil talking to Scott and then Scott moves away, Emil then comes back at him, by which time Scott has had enough and who knows what Emil said. At this point Scott wants him to go away, so pushes him gently away, then Emil comes back and pushes Scott. Something Emil said obviously riled Scott big time and I do agree that Scott came across Emil (similar to what he did with Dryml last year) to make him stop so he could have further words with him. Something bad must have been said to Scott to make him do that. I would love to know what Emil said to Scott, as I said it must have been pretty foul for Scott to try and stop Emil to have further words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Listen to Talksport now, Scott is on talking about incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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