Ghostwalker Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Look carefully, Scotty's dirt deflector catches Emil's front wheel. so? Emil tried to change line but did it too early and caught Scotts backwheel. AS for the fining i dont think IMG/FIM had the gutt to ban them because the next gp is in Latvia and i suspect that allot of Russians would travel there to watch Emil. I think that IMG are afraid that if they would have banned Emil from this GP then allot of people would stay home instead of going to the GP. Edited June 28, 2009 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcoholic Mathematician Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Yes maybe so but Scott was in front so according to the rule book could choose which ever line he wanted. I don't believe that urban myth appears in any speedway rulebook. Anyway, even if he is in front, a rider can still be guilty of dangerous riding. And if he is close enough to make contact with his opponent while making a pass then he hasn't fully completed the pass, so it could be argued that he isn't completely in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 As for the gp, yet another round towards the world gating championships. On top of that the atmosphere was the flattest its ever been in my opinion. The entertainment was so bad it was almost an insult. The sound system must have cost about a tenner to put together. I think it must be me then. I thought the racing was really good this year, the track brilliant, as was the atmosphere. I even enjoyed the entertainment and DJ Bart's choice of music. Nothing wrong with the pa system where I sat either, plus it was nice and LOUD. Thoroughly enjoyed the evening. Roll on 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 AS for the fining i dont think IMG/FIM had the gutt to ban them because the next gp is in Latvia and i suspect that allot of Russians would travel there to watch Emil. Over half the population of Daugavpils is ethnically Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticboy Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 so? Emil tried to change line but did it too early and caught Scotts backwheel. AS for the fining i dont think IMG/FIM had the gutt to ban them because the next gp is in Latvia and i suspect that allot of Russians would travel there to watch Emil. I think that IMG are afraid that if they would have banned Emil from this GP then allot of people would stay home instead of going to the GP. Ok, New to the forum, so I think I'll throw my hat into the ring on. Some really good racing in this GP, far better than I've seen so far this GP season. The Sayfutdinov/Nicholls ruckus seemed pretty clearcut to me, with Scott riding him hard and yes, "pushing" him out wide, but all's fair in GP speedway and more than once Emil's riding style has caused me to wince. The boy is heading for a big accident at some point. He then decided to give Nicholls a bit of mouth (not easy when English is probably his 3rd or 4th language), Nicholls got bored of the verbals and tried pushing him away in a "piss off mate" kind of way, then started to cruise into the pits. Emil's obviously got a pretty quick temper and decided to block him in the most petulant display I've seen for a while. A bit of a barney then ensues which should have cost both men either a suspension or docking of points. Holloway's interference should have resulted in a straight out exclusion from the pits. The fight was over, both were being walked apart and he decided to take a cheap shot. Not acceptable in my book. Pedersen's exclusion was both laughable and incredible. The ref had shown consistency, then decided to throw that out of the window and exclude Pedersen. He probably hasnt endeared himself to ref's with some of the behaviour he's shown lately (and from the reigning champ? Not on) All of this can't take away from Crumpy's achievement though. He was on it all night, and whilst he was lucky with his fall, he rode the luck (and his bike) all the way. Next round should be interesting and I hope it can live up to Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I think it must be me then. I thought the racing was really good this year, the track brilliant, It looked brilliant, and didnt cut up like normal. So its a step forward yes. But wouldn't you like to see the occasional pass too? Other than someone riding too wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I'm sorry, but Scott was clearly the victim here. Why is it on this forum that whatever the guy does, it is wrong, whatever happens, somehow it is always his fault. He is arrogant, a thug, jealous, useless, old enough to know better etc etc. On the way home today, I thought that I bet the Forum will be filled with anti Nicholls clap trap and that somehow that incident would be turned round to being Scott's fault and, of course, I was right. Obviously from my avator you know I am a Scott fan, but to be honest, even if the same fight was between Emil and any other rider (even Hans andersen!!), I would still come down on the other rider's side, Emil was clearly in the wrong. Seems to me, the lad is getting a bit too big for his boots, shame really because he is an exceptional talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) And I think all of yours is wrong! What part of my post is wrong? the start and the end of it, and the words in between I stand by Hansen being a better all round rider, but Nicolai is far more reliable and a fantastic gater! Nicolai is a much better all round rider in my opinion. Seems Sayfutdinov can give out the hard passes but cant take them, Nicholls did nothing wrong.....apart from leaving him in a state where he could still walk after the handbags i suppose. Emil is looking like the new Pedersen. Can dish it out but cant take it back. And if you also notice to add to this point that Emil is out of shape following the dirt deflector clip. You can also note that Nicholls looks at Emil the bulk of the way around the bend and if you look how he turns the bike it is aggressive and moving Emil further and further wider... As for the pit crew incident, yes it was uncalled for, for the Mechanic to push Nicholls but Nicholls did not do the mature thing and walk away, instead he took himself to their level. Emil goaded him none stop, cant blame Scotty for being riled up. Thats what Emil did to him. Dont start trouble if you dont want it back. YES, maybe Scott should have the bigger man and walked away from it. but scott has never been like that. He is always likely to kick off if challenged. So both were wrong, and emil the most for starting it. Edited June 28, 2009 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Before anyone judges either the Sayfutdinov/Nicholls fracas then the Chris Harris exclusion in the second semi-final I challenge you to study both in their entirety, if you have the recording that is, by watching them in slow motion frame by frame. Very revealing I think. Also, something I hadn't noticed before was how unevenly the tapes went up in that heat. I haven't studied any other starts in such detail but if this was the norm perhaps that was why the outer gates produced more wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 It looked brilliant, and didnt cut up like normal. So its a step forward yes. But wouldn't you like to see the occasional pass too? Other than someone riding too wide. I thought there was a lot of passing. For a change it was easier to count the "boring" races than the eventful ones, but I've not actually watched the recording yet to check exactly how many passes there were so I'm not going to argue with you. Emil goaded him none stop, cant blame Scotty for being riled up. Thats what Emil did to him. Dont start trouble if you dont want it back. YES, maybe Scott should have the bigger man and walked away from it. but scott has never been like that. He is always likely to kick off if challenged. So both were wrong, and emil the most for starting it. That's pretty good Steve, but more in the wrong than either of them was Ashley Holloway for giving Scott a hefty shove when he was returning to the pits so that he fell over. Has he been fined as well because he deserves to be....and banned from future G.P's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 To me Scott did nothing wrong, any man would stand their corner like he did. Emil riding him into the pit gate was the straw that broke the camels back. They ended up in the air fence to the left of the pit gate due to Scott leaning into him to stop them heading towards the gate, so if any rider did the pushing to the fence it was Scott I know the organisers have tried to address this by bringing forward the start time to allow people to get out of Cardiff after the meeting,but you really want to stay in the city before and after the meeting I think they should start looking at an alternative venue as the guest houses are charging £100+ per night when events are on a bloody disgrace if you ask me I think if they could find another venue with plenty of accomodation at reasonable prices they could surpass crowds of 50,000 easily why do they not consider murrayfield or hampden or somewhere else for the european gp instead of always having 2 in Poland Do many want to stay in the City before and after the meeting ....... Yes and thousands prove that every year As for £100+ guest houses, true quite a few hotels are expensive, but arent they all in most big cities and quite frankly I looked up accomodation a few days before and could get a double room with breakfast for £50, so next time look harder and get into town earlier for a few at the PoW has anyone heard of any official news of any disciplinarys handed out to the two riders involved in the punch up on the track in the british g.p We have heard about the $600 and $500 fines imposed, but if you look at the leader board, you may notice that Emil's and Scott's total points have still to be confirmed so more punishment might follow. I am a big Emil fan and think he was in the wrong as Scott rode a good race, but Scott did do the first of the pushing and that would in a court of law state that Scott started the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirleyBee Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I think it must be me then. I thought the racing was really good this year, the track brilliant, as was the atmosphere. I even enjoyed the entertainment and DJ Bart's choice of music. Nothing wrong with the pa system where I sat either, plus it was nice and LOUD. Thoroughly enjoyed the evening. Roll on 2010. Do you mind not shouting on your post. I am still trying to get my hearing back after the totally unnecessary maximum volume from the speakers last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 STOP THE FIGHT STOP THE FIGHT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Thought the racing was fast and competetive and the fight was funny!! But BSI need to act to some extent and please keep employing Nicki's fan club as referees lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoe_xxx Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Watched this GP from home and thought it was a good show the racing was the best that i have seen in a GP for a while. The referee was consistent up until the 2nd semi. Felt Nicki Pedersen was unlucky to be excluded but he accepted it with a more grace than on other occasions, maybe he is accepting this is just not a good year for him. The Nicholls and Sayfutdinov incident was a heat of the moment thing that shouldn't of happened but think it was a partially a result of frustration on both riders parts. Sayfutdinov is young and inexperienced rider who lost his temper but Nicholls could have rode away, he is the more experienced rider. Nicholls after all was the first to instigate physical contact, had that not happened then i think it would have stayed at just words, it also looked to me that it was Nicholls that turned the bike to stop Sayfutdinov from getting around the pit gate, originally i'd have said Sayfutdinov was to blame for them going into the pit gate but not after seeing the replay of it. At the end of the day they were both to blame and by the sound of it have picked up fines. Hopefully a lesson has been learnt and in time the Russian will calm down just at the moment he is young and inexperienced. Jason Crump looked unstoppable all night and was pretty clear baring any mechanical problems was on for the win, he had looked so quick all night. I’m happy Hans Andersens form has improved he said in one of the interviews that riding in Britain again had helped him and good on him for admitting his mistakes. Can't see the problem with him riding Sayfutdinovs bike it was a nice gesture by the Russian and to me it looked like Hans was a bit uncomfortable on it. Over all thought the meeting was a good advert for speedway and reminded me why i enjoy watching speedway. Edited June 28, 2009 by zoe_xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Do you mind not shouting on your post. I am still trying to get my hearing back after the totally unnecessary maximum volume from the speakers last night. I always find the noise at the British G.P sorts out any hearing problems for the next 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psymon Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 My first Cardiff. Have to say I enjoyed it. Shame about the kid getting injured and the kid excluded for touching the tape. I enjoyed the balloon dancing thing and I laughed quite a lot when Freddie overcooked the celebration and fell off the back of his bike at the end. Oh and the speedway was good too (didn't agree with Bomber being excluded though, I think Hans dives like Ronaldo ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Scott then pushes Emil into the airfence, You should have gone to specsavers! Sayfutdinov rode his bike straight to stop Nicholls getting in the the pits. He wouldn't give it a rest just kept on and on at Nicholls when Nicholls was only guilty of a hard but fair pass. Sayfutdinov has spat the dummy a few times now. He may be a fantastic talent but he needs to learn that when things don't go his way throwing the toys out of the pram is not the way to go. As for his mechanic/tuner/manager whatever Ashley Holloway wants to call himself, he was lucky he wasn't thrown out of the meeting for his thuggish behaviour in the pit lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 ML was it not Nicholls that started the elbowing on the way back to the pits? Also how could Emil ride straight to stop Nicholls getting in the pits when it was Emil that ended up in the pit gate? Great to see Nicholls have another pish GP Great last bend move by the man himself Hans Andersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Check out the video Snyper you have got it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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