f-s-p Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I missed that bit.....i thought it was all over and went for another drink in the kitchen.......that is why i never commented.Maybe others missed it as well?What happened?Did he knock Scott to the ground or just shove him???? But the bloke done himself no favours with his interview on Sky at the previous GP I think Holloway was watching the heat on the screen in the pits and after he saw what was happening ran "upstairs" to see it live. They just were on the same line heading for different directions and as Scotty had his head down he didn't see him coming. Holloway was awake and pushed him away. After Scotty realised what happened he ran after him but by that time there was enough people in between. Isn't this exactly the kind of stuff that has been missing from the processional (not in my opinion though) world of GP??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 most of your statement is wrong. Which bit is wrong, to me his statement seems spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinn Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) I don't think there was anything wrong with Scotts move, Emil had plenty of room, never came close to coming off, if he was more experienced he would have seen it coming and gone for a cut back like Hans on nicki... Emil is young and needs to learn the hard way, like Nigel Pearson said, "Emils spat his dummy out" he did exactly the same thing with Nicki in the last GP when Nicki hit a rut and come off with Emil running him to him, although it was Nicki again!! it wasn't really his fault but Emil proceeded to have a go at him. this is a young hot headed boy who has a young pit crew and to act thuggish should not be done. Scott did throw his wheel out ifront of Emil on the straight, causing Emil to shut off and nearly fall off. Watching it on this video though, the reaction from Scott seemed to provoke it... Emil exchanges words with Scott, at which point Scott should have rode away from him but instead he pushes the Russian causing a retaliation with another push. Scott then pushes Emil into the airfence, where he then pushes Emil again before Emil throws the first punch. Emil may have been angry with the move, but there is no denying that Scott was the first to use physical force. My Point was BOTH were at fault because both were involved in the incident. Emil should have waited until they were in the pits before confronting Scott and Scott shouldn't have reacted by pushing Emil. Either way this type of thing, although adding a little bit of action, hardly promotes the sport to the new-comers. Edited June 28, 2009 by NicWolves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Which bit is wrong, to me his statement seems spot on. I thought that way too, but there's nothing unexperienced about his main mechanic and manager who was a part of Tricks setup for the last few years Trick was riding. Holloway has also seen his bit in the pits and garage with Nicki and then Karger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmagpie Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Just back from Cardiff, whilst I enjoyed the weekend I still have a bitter taste in my mouth I spoke with a Taxi driver and he asked where you staying etc and I told him that the hotel prices were through the roof and he replied yes "I know mate thats how cardiff lost the rugby league big weekend and took it to Edinburgh" I know the organisers have tried to address this by bringing forward the start time to allow people to get out of Cardiff after the meeting,but you really want to stay in the city before and after the meeting I think they should start looking at an alternative venue as the guest houses are charging £100+ per night when events are on a bloody disgrace if you ask me Cardiff for me yesterday had the flattest atmosphere I have known there,the pre meeting entertainment was rubbish last year it was good,are they starting to take advantage as well I think if they could find another venue with plenty of accomodation at reasonable prices they could surpass crowds of 50,000 easily why do they not consider murrayfield or hampden or somewhere else for the european gp instead of always having 2 in Poland BACK TO THE SPEEDWAY what is this track reserve carry on all about if they are not going to have a chance to ride why are they there to start with? it may be an idea to allow the track reserves to ride in order to make all races have 4 riders the second semi was just a farce at least if they had allowed the reserves in then they wouldnt have felt like they had wasted their time CARDIFF ACCOMODATIONIS A RIP OFF SAD REALLY AS THE CITY,STADIUM AND ITS PEOPLE ARE FIRST CLASS EVEN IF IT IS A NIGHTMARE TO GET TO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) There are over a dozen different Cardiff threads on the Speedway Grand Prix section .... Why do you think you should start another one on the wrong section of the forum? Edited June 28, 2009 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) There are over a dozen different Cardiff threads on the Speedway Grand Prix section .... Why do you think you should start another one on the wrong section of the forum? Lol , have a heart Shadders , its his/her first post ! Edited June 28, 2009 by phlipphlop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatekeeper522 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Hey ...nice going mods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirls Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 From my point of view both riders should accept some of the blame. Scott pulled a very hard move on Emil in the final lap that nearly had Emill off his bike trying to avoid him. He then pushes Emil when they are exchanging words going into the pits, before any punches are thrown. Emil needs to control his temper a little, and let's face it he was throwing the majority of the punches (not that Scott wasn't trying.) Emil's mechanic was out of order and should have approached Scott 'like a man' if he wanted some confrontation. Scott is 31 and should really have been the bigger man and walked away from the situation, instead of fighting on the track with a teenage boy. The whole thing hardly painted speedway in a positive light to those new fans who are experiencing this for the first time, bringing children along aswell. Both acted without thinking, but Emil has apologised. Scott needs to act his age and neither should have been so hot-headed over one lost point. Good post NicWolves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) what is this track reserve carry on all about if they are not going to have a chance to ride why are they there to start with? it may be an idea to allow the track reserves to ride in order to make all races have 4 riders the second semi was just a farce at least if they had allowed the reserves in then they wouldnt have felt like they had wasted their time Track reserves can only be used to replace riders who commit a starting offence, i.e tape touching or 2mins exclusion. Once a race is underway they cannot replace an excluded rider. Edited June 28, 2009 by Sotonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashie Smashy Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Emil is young and needs to learn the hard way, like Nigel Pearson said, "Emils spat his dummy out" Pearson is so far up 'Scotty's' backside that you can hardly take his one sided views on such incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirls Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Pearson is so far up 'Scotty's' backside that you can hardly take his one sided views on such incidents. Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 most of your statement is wrong. And I think all of yours is wrong! What part of my post is wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Pearson is so far up 'Scotty's' backside that you can hardly take his one sided views on such incidents. You can if they coincide with your own.In this case i think he was right.He psat his dummy out,just like he did when going over to Nicki in the last GP.What made it worse was that he made a similar move on Scott earlier in the heat!!!! I doubt if Scott would have made a palaver over that move.....both were what the fans pay to see......i.e speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirls Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 From my point of view both riders should accept some of the blame. Scott pulled a very hard move on Emil in the final lap that nearly had Emill off his bike trying to avoid him. He then pushes Emil when they are exchanging words going into the pits, before any punches are thrown. Emil needs to control his temper a little, and let's face it he was throwing the majority of the punches (not that Scott wasn't trying.) Emil's mechanic was out of order and should have approached Scott 'like a man' if he wanted some confrontation. Scott is 31 and should really have been the bigger man and walked away from the situation, instead of fighting on the track with a teenage boy. The whole thing hardly painted speedway in a positive light to those new fans who are experiencing this for the first time, bringing children along aswell. Both acted without thinking, but Emil has apologised. Scott needs to act his age and neither should have been so hot-headed over one lost point. Thats how i saw it also. Emil is the 3rd rider (that i know of) that Scotty has upset in the last 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashie Smashy Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) You can if they coincide with your own.In this case i think he was right.He psat his dummy out,just like he did when going over to Nicki in the last GP.What made it worse was that he made a similar move on Scott earlier in the heat!!!! I doubt if Scott would have made a palaver over that move.....both were what the fans pay to see......i.e speedway I have just watched it again and on the track Nicholls is to blame whichever way you look at it, he rode the other rider out wide, well off the racing line which in my view is dangerous riding. Heading to the pit gate it was bit of both but it looked like Nicholls rode Emil into the gate fence and started the altercation. However, in fairness to Nicholls as he walked away the big boy Holloway was looking for him and did push him deliberately and could have injured Nicholls who was not even looking. Lets hope Holloway gets what is coming to him sometime soon. Edit: Holloway if you're reading this, care to explain your actions? Edited June 28, 2009 by Ashie Smashy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I have just watched it again and on the track Nicholls is to blame whichever way you look at it, he rode the other rider out wide, well off the racing line which in my view is dangerous riding. Moved him off the racing line yes, but dangerous I don't think so, this happens week in week out and usually with slight contact here there was no contact on 4th bend between Nicholls and Sayfutdinov. A lot of first bends are harder than this race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I have just watched it again and on the track Nicholls is to blame whichever way you look at it, he rode the other rider out wide, well off the racing line which in my view is dangerous riding. Heading to the pit gate it was bit of both but it looked like Nicholls rode Emil into the gate fence and started the altercation. However, in fairness to Nicholls as he walked away the big boy Holloway was looking for him and did push him deliberately and could have injured Nicholls who was not even looking. Lets hope Holloway gets what is coming to him sometime soon. I don't believe he did what you say.He was in front and has the right to ride where he wants within reason.And what he did was within reason.When he straightens up there is still enough space for a car to pass him on the outside.......good speedway is also about blocking riders from passing as well as passing.What Scott did was good riding......we often hear fans wondering why riders didn't block someone......not ride them into the fence though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) I have just watched it again and on the track Nicholls is to blame whichever way you look at it, he rode the other rider out wide, well off the racing line which in my view is dangerous riding. Heading to the pit gate it was bit of both but it looked like Nicholls rode Emil into the gate fence and started the altercation. However, in fairness to Nicholls as he walked away the big boy Holloway was looking for him and did push him deliberately and could have injured Nicholls who was not even looking. Lets hope Holloway gets what is coming to him sometime soon. Edit: Holloway if you're reading this, care to explain your actions? Emil was trying to stop Scott from going back to the pits. It looked like Scott pushed him away, but Emil thought he was trying to start a physical fight and rode straight, stopping Scott from turning the bike into the pits. The move was just as hard/dangerous as some of Emil's moves in the GP this season. Emil caused Rune Holta to fall off after he clipped Pedersens back wheel. Edited June 28, 2009 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Emil was trying to stop Scott from going back to the pits. It looked like Scott pushed him away, but Emil thought he was trying to start a physical fight and rode straight and wouldn't let Scott turn the bike into the pits. The move was just as hard/dangerous as some of Emil's moves in the GP this season. Emil caused Rune Holta to fall off after he clipped Pedersens back wheel. This is the second of your posts i have agreed with today.The other being,i prefered the Jackson 5 stuff to Michaels solo career.Think i better go a lie down before you say Nicolai is better than K.Hansen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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