speedyguy Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You are correct. In it's true context to be three generations each must have a blood relationship with the other two, Phil Crump is not related to Neil Street. Take Jason out of the equation and ask would you consider Phil & Neil as 2 generations of the same family Substitute Carol Street for Phil Crump and you have your three generations, not sure she ever raced against anyone though!!!!!! Thanks. I think that neatly sums up this three generation debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Thanks. I think that neatly sums up this three generation debate. It also enables a bit of a cheat in the time period.A father in law can be quite a bit younger than the actual blood father.I guess it is possible to have a father in law younger than yourself even...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 It also enables a bit of a cheat in the time period.A father in law can be quite a bit younger than the actual blood father.I guess it is possible to have a father in law younger than yourself even...... I think this has been known. There was a song that went somehow: "I'm my own grandpa. It sound funny I know but it really is so - I'm my own grandpa." I can't remember the rest of it, but it went on to explain how through cross-marriage this had happened. But let's get back to speedway - unless anyone can recall the rest of the song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) Maybe Wal Morton or Geoff Pymar may have raced against 3 generations of some family even if not Crumps or Grants. They could well have met the Allotts I think. Edited June 16, 2009 by star ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You are correct. In it's true context to be three generations each must have a blood relationship with the other two, Phil Crump is not related to Neil Street. Take Jason out of the equation and ask would you consider Phil & Neil as 2 generations of the same family Substitute Carol Street for Phil Crump and you have your three generations, not sure she ever raced against anyone though!!!!!! No- I still don't see this. no-one is suggesting a blood relationship between Phil and Street but Neil Street IS Jason's grand-father. Phil IS his father. In what sense then is Jason NOT a third generation rider behind father & grand-father!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 No- I still don't see this. no-one is suggesting a blood relationship between Phil and Street but Neil Street IS Jason's grand-father. Phil IS his father. In what sense then is Jason NOT a third generation rider behind father & grand-father!? Sorry mate, I have to agree with speedyguy on this one; Jason is Phil's son, but Phil isn't Neil's son. Of course, another "three-generation" family would be the Dugards, but I really don't think anyone was around THAT long! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff... Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 No- I still don't see this. no-one is suggesting a blood relationship between Phil and Street but Neil Street IS Jason's grand-father. Phil IS his father. In what sense then is Jason NOT a third generation rider behind father & grand-father!? Neil Street and Jason Crump are first and third generation Streets. Phil and Jason Crump are first and second generation Crumps. In no context is Neil Street any generation of"Crump" and equally Phil can't qualify any generation of "Street" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Maybe Wal Morton or Geoff Pymar may have raced against 3 generations of some family even if not Crumps or Grants. They could well have met the Allotts I think. Morton and Pymar wouldn't have been racing when Nicky came on the scene (but could have raced against Tommy & Guy). How about Jimmy Squibb, Pat Flanagan or Ken McKinlay ? Can't think of anyone else riding over the period early 50's to mid 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) Ivan Mauger started at Wimbledon in 1957 raced until 1986 in the UK. Or maybe Barry Briggs. Edited June 17, 2009 by Robbie B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 One of my heros Gordon Kennett must have rode against Neil Street and Phil Crump in the 70s he also rode against Jason in Gordons last season in 94 when Poole rode against Woves Neil Street & Phil Crump both rode for Newport in 1976, and Gordon did race against both of these riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Morton and Pymar wouldn't have been racing when Nicky came on the scene (but could have raced against Tommy & Guy). How about Jimmy Squibb, Pat Flanagan or Ken McKinlay ? Can't think of anyone else riding over the period early 50's to mid 70's. Ronnie Moore rode from 1950 - 1972. Barry Briggs 1952 - 1975. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) Ronnie Moore rode from 1950 - 1972. Barry Briggs 1952 - 1975. Norbold, Briggo rode for Hull in 1976 Edited June 17, 2009 by Robbie B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Neil Street and Jason Crump are first and third generation Streets. Phil and Jason Crump are first and second generation Crumps. In no context is Neil Street any generation of"Crump" and equally Phil can't qualify any generation of "Street" But that's not the issue and is pure semantics. As Jason's father AND his grand-father were riders, then this MUST mean he a third generation Speedway rider; and - as it happens (to return to the question posed by this thread..) - we have uncovered one rider (Gordon Kennett) who has raced against all three of these 'generations'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 QUOTE (Robbie B @ Jun 17 2009, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Norbold, Briggo rode for Hull in 1976 Ooops! Quite right, Robbie. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Ronnie Moore rode from 1950 - 1972. Barry Briggs 1952 - 1975. I don't think Moore could have ridden against Nicky but certainly Briggo could have (I don't have the records to confirm or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 And I would query the three Allotts as well - with Guy very unlikely to have been in action against Alan Grahame (big chance for someone to prove me wrong ) The accident that ended Guy Allott's career was in 1963 when he fell off the tractor at Sheffield. I think Alan Graham started riding a few years after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I don't think Moore could have ridden against Nicky but certainly Briggo could have (I don't have the records to confirm or not). I think you are probably right. Nicky's debut was in 1972. He rode in two matches for Hull in the Second Division. His First Division debut was in 1974 when he rode in just one match for Belle Vue and then rode for Sheffield in 17 matches in 1975. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Neil Street and Jason Crump are first and third generation Streets. Phil and Jason Crump are first and second generation Crumps. In no context is Neil Street any generation of"Crump" and equally Phil can't qualify any generation of "Street" You are correct. P1928 is wrong in a more recent Post. But it's useless pursuing it with him...he just does not give up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 But that's not the issue and is pure semantics. As Jason's father AND his grand-father were riders, then this MUST mean he a third generation Speedway rider; and - as it happens (to return to the question posed by this thread..) - we have uncovered one rider (Gordon Kennett) who has raced against all three of these 'generations'... See the previous message. I couldn't link the quotes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 You are correct. P1928 is wrong in a more recent Post. But it's useless pursuing it with him...he just does not give up! This is because you are WRONG. There ARE three generations of rider involved here. Rider; his father; his grand-father.. How is that NOT three generations of Speedway riders..?! And DON'T merely repeat that Street isn't Phil's father - we all know that.. THAT'S not the issue at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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