Another Ridiculous Exclusion

[Phillip Addison]

I agree about the cut back, but nicki clearly turned into him. Pedersen made that straight at least 10 yards longer, which put Emil in no mans land. But he is good at that, isn't he?

I actually believe Nicki is streets ahead of most other riders. But he needs to channel his efforts more positively. At the moment, he concentrates on spoiling, rather than winning, especially in shoulder to shoulder racing. He nearly always has to be the one to turn hard, go into a corner too hard under someone or go hard across someone line. He knows exactly how to play the perpetrator and the victim in any scenario, to try to con the ref. But they are wise to him now, and he is getting very tiresome with his antics.

 

Spot on. I doubt if anyone noticed this either. When Hans Andersen had his very nasty crash with Ulamek and showed concern Pedersen would never have, Pearson is saying ' Dont know what Hans is gesturing about ? ' as he rides off the track. Well play it back and look in the background at Pedersen laughing at Hans.

[Starman2006]

Agree totally. Pedersen was robbed. I like Emil but he should have been out. Wasn't even a 50/50.

 

As we all know, Nikki Pedersen is one of the nicest blokes you could wish to meet when he's not riding, but he's a different person on a speedway bike. But on this occasion, its a difficult one.

 

The way i saw it, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. I feel Nikki Did move out slightly, and Emil did move in slightly. Yes Nikki was ALMOST in front, but i do feel Nikki could have held a bit tighter line!!. But its all down to opinions!!.

 

Must say well done Anton, rode very well all night!.

 

I don't know where Scott goes from here. He was never at the races. I feel he should cut the GP next season and consentrate on a purely League campaign. Whether its confidence Bikes personal or all three. He needs to take a leaf out of Lee Richardsons book. He's now regained his confidence and is riding well again. Last week at Coventry, he didn't really beat anybody, and was entitled to get the points he did on the bridle. In the British final he looked a pale shadow of his former self. and tonight he just wasn't there!!. End of the season he needs to have a good sort out, clear his mind and start afresh, because he's a dam sight better rider than he's been showing of late!!.

 

 

 

Who's Refereeing at Cardiff this year???.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Starman2006

[youngy105]

In my humble opinion if Nicki hadn't concentrated so much on taking Lindback out wide there would never have been that huge gap for Emil to go through which wouldn't have led to Nicki being excluded.

 

Tough one to call IMO but I do think the ref got it wrong....and I ain't no Nicki fan either. I was dejected 2 seconds before the incident as Crump was at the back looking like coming nowhere.

 

[Now Then]

Hey Alan, have you got a tape of Caerdydd last year mate? Anyone who touched Nicki's back wheel after he cut 'em off got excluded.

Hi Dave, Yes I know what you mean, when things go for you, you get the decisions, Nicki this year, things ain't tho'. Perhaps a few of the 'senior' riders in the GP's have to accept that the young guns are taking their places.

Regard to all Alan.

[Rob B]

Yet again we see a Grand Prix decided by a totally ludicrous exclusion. Nicki was sailing past Emil and yet the rider behind moves over into the rider going past, allowing his front wheel to be touched by the rear wheel of the passing rider. It was obvious that Emil saw Nicki coming up to him, he clearly looked over at him twice before the incident, and was going to go past, so he leans in towards him to try and fool the ref (not difficult with this particular ref). Nicki's move was not overly agressive, as we have seen from NP in the past, he was simply moving through on the inside due to having the greater speed. Surely if a rider sees another coming up with greater speed he either legitimately moves onto the racing line to block him, causing the oncoming guy to shut off or he moves out wider. Surely, you don't wait for the rider to have gone past and then try and move onto his racing line.

 

Time and again riders are going down when just the leading edge of their front wheel is being touched, surely by that time the rider being past could and should have been able to move out a bit wider to avoid the bikes touching. If this goes on it will reduce the amount of passing and cut-down on the quality of the racing. God knows, with these awful man-made tracks we are already in danger of seeing the GPs reduced to a lottery.

 

Hard luck Nicki you should have won that GP.........enjoy your holiday!!

 

As I said in other thread feel tiny bit sorry for Pedersen as think Emil was at fault BUT Pedersen is the grandmaster of doing the move you described, looking over when being pased then moving in on the rider to make contact then fall off, he has done it so many times.

[stevebrum]

Cobblers, Pedersen deserves it, no doubt most disrespected world champ out who has gotten where he is by fencing other riders, abusing refs. flopping off the bike at a drop of a hat.

 

Pedersen has been sussed.

 

 

absolutely right.

 

Pedersen is returning to his usual toys out the pram attitude again.

Ive never seen such a clear obvious disqualification. Emil had the power and the edge, pedersen steamed in then tried to control the corner afterwards. In doin so he took Emil`s front wheel. Clear as day.

 

Despite having all the rub of luck last year (he conveniently forgot that) he`s had a few decisions go againt him.

He looks desperate to me this year, and desperate moves are likely to earn you an exclusion - ther is no arguing with that decision.

 

Yes Nicki - we ALL saw what happened - THANKS!!!!

[LisaColette]

If i was the ref i would have excluded emil, he looked at nicki twice then decided to turn left on him ( only slightly, i should say!). Though nicki has done this plenty of times and gotten away with it, so taking some of his own medicine it seems!

Edited May 30, 2009 by lisa-colette

[TrueBee]

I thought it was a tough call...I think there were legitimate reason for excluding either on but my first instinct was that Pedersen was at fault.

Edited May 30, 2009 by TrueBee

[Dekker]

I actually believe Nicki is streets ahead of most other riders.

No he isnt, not got half the talent of most of the other riders, he just takes a lot of risk and is dirty.

 

[Gemini]

If i was the ref i would have excluded emil, he looked at nicki twice then decided to turn left on him ( only slightly, i should say!).

 

If I was Emil I think I'd look to see where Nicki was as well because he is so unpredictable.

In all seriousness though surely no-one would think a rider would deliberately turn left into another at speed and risk injury?

[AndyM]

I didn't see this but it sounds like shades of Penhall v Carter. The ref is probably damned either way, unless there is a clear and simple way to attribute blame with 100% accuracy in every case. No, I can't think of any way to do it either...

[Ghostwalker]

QUOTE (Rob B @ May 31 2009, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

BUT Pedersen is the grandmaster of doing the move you described, looking over when being pased then moving in on the rider to make contact then fall off, he has done it so many times.

 

yes but that is irrelevant when it comes who's fault it was. the only thing that counts is what happened then and there.

A referee should never ever take a decision of exclusion based on who the rider is. We cant have referees making decisions based on what riders

they like or don't like instead of taking a decision based on who's fault it is.

[speedy den boy]

Dredful decision to exclude Nikki.

 

1-He was past Emil no problem at all

2-Emil knew he was coming!!!!!

3- This tatic emil pulled is creeping in more and more and leaving the ref with a hard decision to make.Its like in football when players try to con the ref into giving a penalty,but at least in speedway you have replays but if pearson is to be trusted the ref made a very quick call according to him and made the wrong call.

4- Looked what happened when crump was in the same position as Nikki with Emil in the final but shut off without even attemping a pass- do fans what to see even less passing.

5-All in all Emil knew exactly what he was doing riders like Hancock,Adams wouldnt of bailed out and we have to stamp riders doing this now as i said its creeping in more and more.

[mally]

Agree totally. Pedersen was robbed. I like Emil but he should have been out. Wasn't even a 50/50.

I also agree. Pedersen had cleanly overtaken Sayfutdinov on the straight prior to entering the corner.Sayfutdinov then tried to cutback inside but caught Pedersens back wheel. Hard riding on Pedersens part but seen often in the World championships with the result being the rider behind on the outside being excluded.

[Dietbowers]

Oh dear,it seems the Pedersen tactics for the last few years have come back and bit him on his `arris

Didn`t think he done anything wrong tonight,but it`s the Ronaldo effect,nobody believes your innocent after so many years of diving

Edited May 31, 2009 by Dietbowers

[HenryW]

Dredful decision to exclude Nikki.

 

1-He was past Emil no problem at all

2-Emil knew he was coming!!!!!

3- This tatic emil pulled is creeping in more and more and leaving the ref with a hard decision to make.Its like in football when players try to con the ref into giving a penalty,but at least in speedway you have replays but if pearson is to be trusted the ref made a very quick call according to him and made the wrong call.

4- Looked what happened when crump was in the same position as Nikki with Emil in the final but shut off without even attemping a pass- do fans what to see even less passing.

5-All in all Emil knew exactly what he was doing riders like Hancock,Adams wouldnt of bailed out and we have to stamp riders doing this now as i said its creeping in more and more.

I think the ref had a tough decision to make, and could have gone either way.

 

1. If he had been past him no problem then he wouldn't have wiped out Emil's front wheel.

2. Yep. He knew he was coming...he shut off very early to let Nicki go past and then turn in after him, but Nicki chose to go much deeper into the turns than he had on the previous laps.

3. At first I thought Emil DID try to pull a move to con the ref, but the more I look at it, I don't think he did. He was looking for Nicki to go past him and turn at his normal point and then follow him into the turn, but Nicki took him deeper and forced Emil to try to turn in beside him.

4. Ermmm...Crump shut off and took it careful in almost every race.....Don't think that's an argument at all.

5. As I said earlier....after watching it over and over, I genuinely don't think he was playing for it, but only Emil knows!

 

It was a racing incident on a really sh** track. On a proper track, it probably wouldn't have happened, but the rider's were being forced into strange lines to cope with the crappy surface.....Best move of the night was Hans' slow handclap as he returned to the pits after his crash!

 

[Eastie]

Just when was Emil supposed to turn then, he'd got the power on down the straight, the fence was looming up, Pedersen took his line, maybe it was another case of all 4 back mid race, wish more refs would use this option.

two choices ,blast round the outside or cut across Pedersen after he went passed.

Swings and roundabouts, it went his way in quite a few GP's previous.

But where do they get these refs from

 

[gypilgrim]

 

My two penn'orth.

 

The karma police have finally caught up with Pederson.

 

In recent times NP has shown himself all to ready to "take a fall" or "fence" an opponent when it suits him.

 

In last night's incident I think he did get the short end of the stick from the ref. NP made the straight as long as possible meaning Emil had to bail on his original thought to sweep arround the boards and be potentialy trapped, so he tried the "cut back" to the inside line. He miscalculated and hit NP's back wheel and went down. Not NP's fault !

 

But........., what goes around comes around.

[Bagpuss]

Six and two threes for me.

 

Its the second 50/50 which hasn't gone NP's way in the series so far but rather than bleating about it perhaps he should remember the various occasions when tough decisions have gone in his favour.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Bagpuss

[Deano]

I remember either Johnson or Tattum commentating on an incident like this some time ago on SKY. A similar incident and the rider on the outside was excluded, their take on it was. When going down the straight and you are in line with the rider on the inside at some point that back wheel will swing out. If it takes you off, you will be excluded as it's your responsibility to allow for it. We see this countless times in league racing so why should the decisions be any different at GP level! I'm no Nicki fan, but, Emil didn't need to pull that stunt either he could have passed him on the inside again like the previous bend.