Brummie Boy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yet again we see a Grand Prix decided by a totally ludicrous exclusion. Nicki was sailing past Emil and yet the rider behind moves over into the rider going past, allowing his front wheel to be touched by the rear wheel of the passing rider. It was obvious that Emil saw Nicki coming up to him, he clearly looked over at him twice before the incident, and was going to go past, so he leans in towards him to try and fool the ref (not difficult with this particular ref). Nicki's move was not overly agressive, as we have seen from NP in the past, he was simply moving through on the inside due to having the greater speed. Surely if a rider sees another coming up with greater speed he either legitimately moves onto the racing line to block him, causing the oncoming guy to shut off or he moves out wider. Surely, you don't wait for the rider to have gone past and then try and move onto his racing line. Time and again riders are going down when just the leading edge of their front wheel is being touched, surely by that time the rider being past could and should have been able to move out a bit wider to avoid the bikes touching. If this goes on it will reduce the amount of passing and cut-down on the quality of the racing. God knows, with these awful man-made tracks we are already in danger of seeing the GPs reduced to a lottery. Hard luck Nicki you should have won that GP.........enjoy your holiday!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yet again we see a Grand Prix decided by a totally ludicrous exclusion.Cobblers, Pedersen deserves it, no doubt most disrespected world champ out who has gotten where he is by fencing other riders, abusing refs. flopping off the bike at a drop of a hat. Pedersen has been sussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Addison Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yet again we see a Grand Prix decided by a totally ludicrous exclusion. Nicki was sailing past Emil and yet the rider behind moves over into the rider going past, allowing his front wheel to be touched by the rear wheel of the passing rider. It was obvious that Emil saw Nicki coming up to him, he clearly looked over at him twice before the incident, and was going to go past, so he leans in towards him to try and fool the ref (not difficult with this particular ref). Nicki's move was not overly agressive, as we have seen from NP in the past, he was simply moving through on the inside due to having the greater speed. Surely if a rider sees another coming up with greater speed he either legitimately moves onto the racing line to block him, causing the oncoming guy to shut off or he moves out wider. Surely, you don't wait for the rider to have gone past and then try and move onto his racing line. Time and again riders are going down when just the leading edge of their front wheel is being touched, surely by that time the rider being past could and should have been able to move out a bit wider to avoid the bikes touching. If this goes on it will reduce the amount of passing and cut-down on the quality of the racing. God knows, with these awful man-made tracks we are already in danger of seeing the GPs reduced to a lottery. Hard luck Nicki you should have won that GP.........enjoy your holiday!! The only bit you are right about are the man made tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yet again we see a Grand Prix decided by a totally ludicrous exclusion. Nicki was sailing past Emil and yet the rider behind moves over into the rider going past, allowing his front wheel to be touched by the rear wheel of the passing rider. It was obvious that Emil saw Nicki coming up to him, he clearly looked over at him twice before the incident, and was going to go past, so he leans in towards him to try and fool the ref (not difficult with this particular ref). Nicki's move was not overly agressive, as we have seen from NP in the past, he was simply moving through on the inside due to having the greater speed. Surely if a rider sees another coming up with greater speed he either legitimately moves onto the racing line to block him, causing the oncoming guy to shut off or he moves out wider. Surely, you don't wait for the rider to have gone past and then try and move onto his racing line. Time and again riders are going down when just the leading edge of their front wheel is being touched, surely by that time the rider being past could and should have been able to move out a bit wider to avoid the bikes touching. If this goes on it will reduce the amount of passing and cut-down on the quality of the racing. God knows, with these awful man-made tracks we are already in danger of seeing the GPs reduced to a lottery. Hard luck Nicki you should have won that GP.........enjoy your holiday!! The rider that conned this referee in the GP's was ...........answers on a post card to any one who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 So are we all saying that a refs decision should now be based on the riders involved and not the incident? It was a dodgy decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Helsing Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Cobblers, Pedersen deserves it, no doubt most disrespected world champ out who has gotten where he is by fencing other riders, abusing refs. flopping off the bike at a drop of a hat. Pedersen has been sussed. Well said. Totally Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 So are we all saying that a refs decision should now be based on the riders involved and not the incident? It was a dodgy decision. Not all of us Deano, it wasn't dodgy, it was plainly the wrong decision... It's NP hate club crawling out from their holes...I don't have any allegiance either way, but NP was wrongly excluded on this occassion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Not all of us Deano, it wasn't dodgy, it was plainly the wrong decision... It's NP hate club crawling out from their holes...I don't have any allegiance either way, but NP was wrongly excluded on this occassion! Its funny how you resort to calling the many fans who criticise Pedersen, as his "hate club". Could it be, that the vast majority see him for what he is, as opposed to his so called fans, who just refuse to see the obvious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I thought it was a shocking decision and Emil should have been out. Pedersen extremely hard done by. He was clearly in the lead and Saifudinov suckered the ref by turning left. And I am no Pedersen fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I thought it was a shocking decision and Emil should have been out. Pedersen extremely hard done by. He was clearly in the lead and Saifudinov suckered the ref by turning left. And I am no Pedersen fan. Wind up, surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Pedersen being excluded and then Emil winning it was the best fun of the night I loved it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Just when was Emil supposed to turn then, he'd got the power on down the straight, the fence was looming up, Pedersen took his line, maybe it was another case of all 4 back mid race, wish more refs would use this option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Strange as over the past few years I have become quite a Nicki fan, yet as soon as it happened tonight I said to my husband that Nicki had to go! No matter how many times they showed the replays from different angles I did not change my point of view! As others have said on here, had it been the other way round you can be damn sure that Nicki would have been bleating that the rider took his front wheel away from him, so he can't have it both ways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Now Then Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Trouble is how many time have we all seen this, two riders side by side, guy on outside falls, you know guy on inside is going to get excluded if they are close and especially if there is contact. Happened a few times on TV matches this season alone. Regards to all, Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Nicki was robbed, IMO. The russian was amazing tonight, but he really should have been excluded, he clearly turned into Nicki, probably looking for the cut back....but he ran into Nicki, and was very lucky the decision went his way. Edited May 30, 2009 by BritPete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Wind up, surely. As always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 For what its worth my opinion is Nikki could have turned earlier but was trying to make sure Emil did not just ride round as he would have probably done. Can see both side of the arguments though.Iwould have excluded Nikki though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Nicki was robbed, IMO. The russian was amazing tonight, but he really should have been excluded, he clearly turned into Nicki, probably looking for the cut back....but he ran into Nicki, and was very lucky the decision that went his way. I agree about the cut back, but nicki clearly turned into him. Pedersen made that straight at least 10 yards longer, which put Emil in no mans land. But he is good at that, isn't he? I actually believe Nicki is streets ahead of most other riders. But he needs to channel his efforts more positively. At the moment, he concentrates on spoiling, rather than winning, especially in shoulder to shoulder racing. He nearly always has to be the one to turn hard, go into a corner too hard under someone or go hard across someone line. He knows exactly how to play the perpetrator and the victim in any scenario, to try to con the ref. But they are wise to him now, and he is getting very tiresome with his antics. Edited May 30, 2009 by srbramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nicki was robbed, IMO. The russian was amazing tonight, but he really should have been excluded, he clearly turned into Nicki, probably looking for the cut back....but he ran into Nicki, and was very lucky the decision went his way. Agree totally. Pedersen was robbed. I like Emil but he should have been out. Wasn't even a 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Trouble is how many time have we all seen this, two riders side by side, guy on outside falls, you know guy on inside is going to get excluded if they are close and especially if there is contact. Happened a few times on TV matches this season alone. Regards to all, Alan. Hey Alan, have you got a tape of Caerdydd last year mate? Anyone who touched Nicki's back wheel after he cut 'em off got excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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