spook Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 yes hats off to them but lets not use that as a reason to burn the others at the stake speedy den boy as has already been stated in this thread ...... the guys lost upwards of 1k doing this meeting............ since when did/have you had 1k to blow on one day before you turned 21? It is far too easy to blame the riders here when the fact of the matter is that the amount being offered to the riders to represent their country leaves them badly out of pocket ................... I thought it was an honour to represent one's nation .... not a financial punishment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) about the track and track safety. I think the national Federations (as many as possible) but at least. in the 5 big Speedway nations should write a joint statement letter to FIM in which they declare that from now on they will not accept nor allow their riders juniors in particularly but also senior riders to ride an official FIM event on tracks without proper safety equipment. AND wooden fences like the one in Abensberg should be banned as soon as possible. I find it very remarkable that these types of tracks still exists in 2009. according to this article it says that there is a suggestion to implement airfence demands from 2012 but IMO that's 1-2 years too long. http://www.racemcsport.com/nyhet_spec.aspx...;Sport=speedway Edited June 3, 2009 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 yes hats off to them but lets not use that as a reason to burn the others at the stake speedy den boy as has already been stated in this thread ...... the guys lost upwards of 1k doing this meeting............ since when did/have you had 1k to blow on one day before you turned 21? It is far too easy to blame the riders here when the fact of the matter is that the amount being offered to the riders to represent their country leaves them badly out of pocket ................... I thought it was an honour to represent one's nation .... not a financial punishment! It's the same in all branches of motorcycle sports and it doesn't get easier as you get older. I have been "lucky" to represent GB in iceracing and it costs. While having sympathy for the riders and followers, I would love a meeting that close to home. Having ridden in Europe, Russia and Scandinavia it's just part of the sport, and IMO it's also why British riders don't get enough overseas' experience. It is an honour to wear a British race jacket but it comes at a cost as you say, I hope the 4 that went enjoyed their racing and that the financial side can be improved. It would help a lot of the younger riders to partake in the UEM/FIM under 19/21 team and individual championships if a sound financial package could be organised, other nations seem willing to invest in their youth far more than the UK. The UK has the largest league set up in Europe, but can't support a team of 5 youngsters to go to Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) about the track and track safety. I think the national Federations (as many as possible) but at least. in the 5 big Speedway nations should write a joint statement letter to FIM in which they declare that from now on they will not accept nor allow their riders juniors in particularly but also senior riders to ride an official FIM event on tracks without proper safety equipment. AND wooden fences like the one in Abensberg should be banned as soon as possible. I find it very remarkable that these types of tracks still exists in 2009. according to this article it says that there is a suggestion to implement airfence demands from 2012 but IMO that's 1-2 years too long. http://www.racemcsport.com/nyhet_spec.aspx...;Sport=speedway While i don't disagree with the idea.....who are the big 5 that will write this letter?Ok Gb is ok for airfenced tracks i guess,Poland as well and is Sweden now well fixed for them,i don't know?But apart from those countries Denmark only has Vojens with their padded fence.I don't know of any other track that has one there.Germany,Australia,Russia,Czecho........are there any tracks in these countries with an airfence?Like i said before,i would have thought the better option was for the FIM to get a couple of fences and supply them around to those tracks that are holding FIM meetings And just to add,as i think i said it before,but probably needs to be said again........i don't really see many promoters from GB and Sweden at least falling over themselves to host most of the FIM and UEM meetings each season???????Poland is maybe different.They do seem to host a number...... Edited June 3, 2009 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunichMassive Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 well pardubice,prague,all slovenian tracks,gorican,and maybe some more have got airfence already... i hope it willl be more soon!!but you have to note that most of the german clubs have pretty long tracks so its a lot more to pay than in UK. There is no money for airfences and no support from our federation.they want us to get them but they ain't making it possible. Olching already ordered one but had countermand cos now they got problems with a neighbor who's complaining about noise and missing building permit. although it was built back in 1951.now they need their money for an optionally upcoming lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 While i don't disagree with the idea.....who are the big 5 that will write this letter?Ok Gb is ok for airfenced tracks i guess,Poland as well and is Sweden now well fixed for them,i don't know?But apart from those countries Denmark only has Vojens with their padded fence.I don't know of any other track that has one there.Germany,Australia,Russia,Czecho........are there any tracks in these countries with an airfence?Like i said before,i would have thought the better option was for the FIM to get a couple of fences and supply them around to those tracks that are holding FIM meetings And just to add,as i think i said it before,but probably needs to be said again........i don't really see many promoters from GB and Sweden at least falling over themselves to host most of the FIM and UEM meetings each season???????Poland is maybe different.They do seem to host a number...... i get your point and i agree on that FIM should supply the airfence for the tracks that dont have one yet when they have an FIM meeting. I also realize that there aren't that many tracks with airfences in Europe. But i still thinks tracks like Abensberg should not be allowed to have any racing until they change the wooden fence in the bends. In neither Sweden or Denmark(i think?) there are any promoters. Team is owned and run by themselves. And tracks is owned by the teams or the cities. Still teams managed to get airfences from last season to this season, with the help from the city/town in which they are based if they couldnt afford it themselves So if the smaller Swedish teams could manage im sure other tracks in Europe could manage as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 i get your point and i agree on that FIM should supply the airfence for the tracks that dont have one yet when they have an FIM meeting. I also realize that there aren't that many tracks with airfences in Europe. But i still thinks tracks like Abensberg should not be allowed to have any racing until they change the wooden fence in the bends. In neither Sweden or Denmark(i think?) there are any promoters. Team is owned and run by themselves. And tracks is owned by the teams or the cities. Still teams managed to get airfences from last season to this season, with the help from the city/town in which they are based if they couldnt afford it themselves So if the smaller Swedish teams could manage im sure other tracks in Europe could manage as well? I thought that some Swedish tracks were replacing the wirelink fence with wood, on the straights this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I thought that some Swedish tracks were replacing the wirelink fence with wood, on the straights this season. yeah that's why i said in the bends The formplyfa on the straights is to prevent riders from getting stuck in the fence with the handlebars. in the bends there are still the old net fence with air fence on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 yeah that's why i said in the bends The formplyfa on the straights is to prevent riders from getting stuck in the fence with the handlebars. in the bends there are still the old net fence with air fence on the outside. Sorry missed that bit. I did find it strange, going back to wood fences but I can see the logic with the handlebars thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 in the bends there are still the old net fence with air fence on the outside. I still think that the chicken wire fence is the best first step towards an air fence................. when the subject of air fences is brought up everyone straight away starts talking about money....even though the overall finances of a speedway club ultimately make this a minimal price No one can say however that in a 3 year plan towards an air fence where the club can save up..... that a chicken wire fence cannot be installed cheaply When setup correctly these fences, while they are no air fence, they are still a damn site safer than wood or block fence............ they 'catch' the rider.... and the wooden supports holding up the wire should shatter on impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Surely it's pretty poor to ask under 21 riders to race abroad for their country without paying their costs at least? Shame this issue wasn't sorted out somehow at the start of the season or when the dates for the meetings were announced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little-End Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 It will be compulsorary from 2012 for every track...... Yes so the FIM try to rush through New Silencers / Cut-Outs , and they leave it 2 Full Seasons before Air-Fences are compulsory .... A sad state of events.. Lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypilgrim Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 It would help a lot of the younger riders to partake in the UEM/FIM under 19/21 team and individual championships if a sound financial package could be organised, other nations seem willing to invest in their youth far more than the UK. The UK has the largest league set up in Europe, but can't support a team of 5 youngsters to go to Germany. Couldn't agree more MARK246. Does anyone know how the Aussie team covered their costs for this meeting, as they would have been the same as for the Brits ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little-End Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Couldn't agree more MARK246. Does anyone know how the Aussie team covered their costs for this meeting, as they would have been the same as for the Brits ? Funded by Motor-Cycle Australia normally Lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Got to admit i don't like seeing the unfortunate accident that overshadowed the meeting. But there is an excellent high quality video report that shows a packed crowd and good racing. Video Report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Got to admit i don't like seeing the unfortunate accident that overshadowed the meeting. But there is an excellent high quality video report that shows a packed crowd and good racing. Video Report Oh,there is indeed.The link has already been posted previously on this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Sorry! nearly 4am here and about to go to bed. I was just Googling for news articles to see how the rider was and came across the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Finns dont need a medical for the FIM license, they have new team racing suits for the weekend and are fully covered for the U21 Team Champioship at Pardubice this weekend by the federation. LOL LOL LOL LOL I'm now gone... Edited June 5, 2009 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypilgrim Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Is the total income to British Speedway really less than Sweden/ Denmark/Germany ? All of these countries seem much more supportive of their U-21's. I can now add Finland to the list. I didn't mention Poland, but I would expect their federation to be supportive considering their sporting infrastructure. Edited June 5, 2009 by Exiled Cuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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