rabbit Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 For those who dont know put Diamond Lights into Youtube. Hey, I bought that record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Unless Harris learns how to gate then he's always going to struggle at GP level. When he does make a rare good start then he's very capable of mixing it with the best of them, but you can not afford to be 2 bike lengths down at the first turn at that level which he invariably is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 always has been. just not good enough. So what are you saying? That he should just give up and not bother? Would it not be more impressive if he forced you to eat your words with a top four finish in a GP this season, at the very least? That should motivate him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesboybert Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Scott is always a slow slow starter, which in my opinion has not been helped this season by Scott dropping the EL. I can understand his reasoning, but to drop the league he was strongest in was a mistake, but I feel he became disillusioned with the EL with the whole Bees team selection saga last year. Scoots G.P season last year didnt really kick off until Cardiff, and I fully expect that could be the case this year as well. I agree with Andy M's post that it could well be a mental thing, as we've all seen Scotty can be amongst the top performers in the G.P. He has made several finals, which shows he has the talent, but never won one, which shows the mental issue could possibly be what is hampering him. Scott, when on top form, is by far Englands best rider, and I for one hope this issue can be sorted, as it was not nice to see him struggling on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Both Nicholls and Harris biggest problem is their gating. Now I'm not saying that either of them could conquer the world, but I feel that if Mr Olsen were to prepare a proper racing track, instead of a gaters paradise, then I think it may be a different story. Speedway is about racing, jostling for position, not gate and go and whoever has got the most money can have the fastest bikes, that doesn't interest me one little bit. Both Nicholls and Harris are better riders than we saw at Leszno. Put all of the GP stars on the Scunthorpe track and wow would we have a treat!! But that ain't gonna happen is it, oh well back to the slick gate and go for the next GP. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I do believe that is nothing more sinister than a contractual agreement with Sky that was in place long before his work with Scott started! As far as I know there is nothing more than simple he has to work for Sky. The plan at the beginning of the GP series was that he would be attending every other GP with Scott. As to whether that remains a plan I dont know but again, thats me just covering myself for those that come back late and quote me!! thx for that Sandie (although some creative quoting there.....you should work for a tabloid! ).... that would explain why Kelvin wasnt there with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy716 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Harris will get in top 8, if not then just outside, scotts got no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Harris will get in top 8, if not then just outside, scotts got no chance Has Harris writing a song. Agree with you on Nicholls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesboybert Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Harris will get in top 8, if not then just outside, scotts got no chance More likely to be the other way round in my opinion. Scott will come good. I have no doubts about it, whether he has already left himself too much to do to get in the top 8 I'm not sure. But he will definately improve and be challenging in semis and finals by the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 More likely to be the other way round in my opinion. Scott will come good. I have no doubts about it, whether he has already left himself too much to do to get in the top 8 I'm not sure. But he will definately improve and be challenging in semis and finals by the end of the season But then he could scarcely get any worse! Was that last GP a shock to his system and has it woken him up to the fact that he's becoming a joke among fans? Hope that motivates him - it blooming well ought to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 If Manuel Almunia's soon going to have lived here long enough as Arsenal's goalkeeper to qualify for England instead of Spain, how much longer do some of our Elite League foreigners have to stay here to qualify for a British wildcard from IMG if there aren't enough Danish, Swedish or Polish wildcards to go round ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IW08 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) Nicholls is finished. He made the worst decision of his career so far in dropping Britain from his schedule, which was the only one out of the trio he's consistently performed any good in! He's making himself a laughing stock in the grand prixs and TBH, if he doesn't make the Top 8 this year, which is looking an almost nailed on certainty, I hope that he sticks to his word and won't accept a wildcard invite. He doesn't deserve to be in the GB squad for the WTC but Lyon has already appointed him captain At least Harris gives it 100% every time, even if he doesn't always get the scores to match it, be it Grand Prix or league racing. Nicholls had his best chance of winning a grand prix last year at Cardiff, but as usual, he bottled it in true fashion that only a British rider could do. Edited May 13, 2009 by chris26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Still nobody has answered my question: if it is the right decision by some riders, Crump and Pedersen included, to give up riding in the UK in order to concentrate on riding in the GP circus, why was it wrong for Nicholls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesboybert Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I think it was wrong for Nicholls, although I can understand why he did it to a degree. Scott has always been a slow starter in the seasons, and has missed 10(ish) meetings by not having a Elite League team. The elite league is also the league he performs best in and therefore he will not have the extra cnonfidence this would bring. Chris26 as for your post, you must be joking. Scott is most certainly not finished, yes he's started poorly (possibly worse than ever) but I have no doubt he will pick up. As for him not deserving the british captaincy. Why not? He has been one of the best brits in the last few years, and I rate him as one of the best team-men and Captains I have ever seen. In Scotts 3 years as Captain at Coventry we won 2 leagues and 2 knockout cups, and a lot of it was down to Scotts captaincy. Who do you suggest would do a better job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IW08 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 if it is the right decision by some riders, Crump and Pedersen included, to give up riding in the UK in order to concentrate on riding in the GP circus, why was it wrong for Nicholls? The statistics prove it Andy, Britain is where he performed best (out of the trio of UK, Poland and Sweden), the stats don't lie. Chris26 as for your post, you must be joking. Scott is most certainly not finished, yes he's started poorly (possibly worse than ever) but I have no doubt he will pick up. As for him not deserving the british captaincy. Why not? He has been one of the best brits in the last few years, and I rate him as one of the best team-men and Captains I have ever seen. In Scotts 3 years as Captain at Coventry we won 2 leagues and 2 knockout cups, and a lot of it was down to Scotts captaincy. Who do you suggest would do a better job? no bert, I'm not joking. Your kidding yourself surely that he'll pick up? Everyone every year sits here saying the same thing "don't worry if Nicholls is crap in the first four rounds, Cardiff will see him back to his best." But one round doesn't make a championship? well, unlike yourself who has made a judgement already and automatically assume that Nicholls will turn things around, I'll wait and see how things go. Come World Cup, I may well be saying Scott is the right man to lead GB at the World Cup, but right now, all is not well with Scott and he seriously needs to buck his ideas up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 actually tbf Chris Andy asked 'why was it wrong for Nicholls?' ............ i'm not sure your reply actually 'replies' to that Andy it wasnt wrong for Scott as 'home league' means nothing .... ask Jason how his 'home league' is .......... a combination of the agendas and finances of the top leagues in GB, Sweden and Poland has meant that it is a free for all for everyone........... if you are going to score the points and you are our free asset then welcome in! The statistics don't lie Chris but to be quite honest what has that got to do with it? Scott wanted to try something different and was only following in the footsteps of the majority of the top 8........... riding twice a week with a very well mapped out schedule is very different to globe trotting in a van on a nutso ad hoc basis because the EL wants to have 4 race nights............................ I am quite certain that Scott had decided that his form in Poland and Sweden shouldnt be any different to his form in Britain if he filled those baskets with more apples http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pte...Op1TkA6gHtwBfNw please also take this spreadsheet of statistics (which dont lie) for Scott in the GP's between 05 and the 4th GP of last season....... im sure you can fill in the blanks for the rest of the GPs last season.................................... it clearly shows that Scott had suffered not only a painful time of regularly being on the cusp of the semis ...ie just missing out or making it with a bad gate....................... but that he has also been in a slight gradual decline for 5 or 6 years now........... I do not blame him at all for making big changes in an attempt to change his fortunes and snap out of his spiral and for the record beesboybert is on the money with Scott's usual change of fortunes the longer a season goes on..... in the GP's anyway I'll be honest the thing that has most confused me on this forum recently has been this bile aimed towards the guy for not riding here and the funny thing is that it is mostly those who liked to have a dig about him when he was here who are doing it.......... and as I have said elsewhere they are also generally posters who have supported the flooding of our 'home league' with imported riders.... go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Still not convinced. If the theory goes that giving up a league, could be any league, allows riders to concentrate efforts better on the GP circus, as many riders have done with what we will assume is some success, why does everybody still insist it was the worst possible thing Scott could have done? Nothing to do with results, just a simple question - why is Scott Nicholls different such that we believe the policy to be appropriate for some riders but not for him? Listening to the answers so far I think Spook is right that most people are still aggrieved about his giving up his domestic league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I feel for Scott as the guy has made a genuine attempt to better himself. He's had an awful start to the season and inevitably people are going to use missing the Elite as the reason. The guy's confidence is obviously shot to pieces and I would say he is probably feeling quite low at the moment. I think it says a lot about the character of the man that he is willing to keep fighting and not take the easy route out by quitting. Unfortunately, there seems to be a few people who want to wallow in his misery and want him to fail so they can say I told you so. In other words, kicking him whilst he's down. This is not an "I love Scotty" post, to be honest I don't really have a favourite rider. I would feel sorry for anybody who has made attempts to better themselves, their career or family life and have it go wrong. My instinct is to help people when they are down, not be cowardly and stick the boot in. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you believe Scott is not good enough for the GP's, fine, say so by all means, but why the unecessary remarks like - he's an embarrassment, I was embarrassed to watch him etc. He's the one going through the turmoil and feeling the pain, not to mention the expense, so to make those kind of remarks says more about the person making them than it does Scott. On a different thread, I said I felt Bomber wasn't up to GP standard. I didn't however, make any nasty or spiteful remarks about him. I would love to be wrong! I'd quite happily come back on here and admit I was wrong! I certainly won't come on here if he has a bad meeting to gloat. I keep seeing remarks such as - he shouldn't be in the WC squad, he shouldn't be captian, he shouldn't be allowed to compete in the British Champs etc - but I haven't seen a single reason as to why! I've seen "he's turned his back on Britain" spouted a few times but I cannot understand what that is supposed to mean. Do people think he owes us all something? Every one of us has the freedom to choose our career path and if any of us want to better ourselves or be with our families more or whatever, we can do so. Please someone explain why he should be any different because I cannot understand why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoy Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I feel for Scott as the guy has made a genuine attempt to better himself. He's had an awful start to the season and inevitably people are going to use missing the Elite as the reason. The guy's confidence is obviously shot to pieces and I would say he is probably feeling quite low at the moment. I think it says a lot about the character of the man that he is willing to keep fighting and not take the easy route out by quitting. Unfortunately, there seems to be a few people who want to wallow in his misery and want him to fail so they can say I told you so. In other words, kicking him whilst he's down. This is not an "I love Scotty" post, to be honest I don't really have a favourite rider. I would feel sorry for anybody who has made attempts to better themselves, their career or family life and have it go wrong. My instinct is to help people when they are down, not be cowardly and stick the boot in. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you believe Scott is not good enough for the GP's, fine, say so by all means, but why the unecessary remarks like - he's an embarrassment, I was embarrassed to watch him etc. He's the one going through the turmoil and feeling the pain, not to mention the expense, so to make those kind of remarks says more about the person making them than it does Scott. On a different thread, I said I felt Bomber wasn't up to GP standard. I didn't however, make any nasty or spiteful remarks about him. I would love to be wrong! I'd quite happily come back on here and admit I was wrong! I certainly won't come on here if he has a bad meeting to gloat. I keep seeing remarks such as - he shouldn't be in the WC squad, he shouldn't be captian, he shouldn't be allowed to compete in the British Champs etc - but I haven't seen a single reason as to why! I've seen "he's turned his back on Britain" spouted a few times but I cannot understand what that is supposed to mean. Do people think he owes us all something? Every one of us has the freedom to choose our career path and if any of us want to better ourselves or be with our families more or whatever, we can do so. Please someone explain why he should be any different because I cannot understand why. I agree with you the poor guy is trying something different and its just not working for him at the moment .. But lets not forget it's only been two GP's and i believe he will prove himself . HE BRITISH CHAMPION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I agree with you the poor guy is trying something different and its just not working for him at the moment .. But lets not forget it's only been two GP's and i believe he will prove himself . HE BRITISH CHAMPION Ah bless his little heart. What will he prove himself as exactly? What would be a sucessfull season for Scott? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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