Splatty Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 he's been an absolute joke tonight One of Olsen's puppets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I totally agree with you , i really do think that this muppet was given a back hander by Jacob Olsen . Do the rules not stae that you have to race to the finish ? Why did Nicki Pedersen get away with doing what he did ? And why did the referee not exclude Nicki Pedersen in the final for doing the same thing as Crumpy did in the semis , the polish idot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg Trailer Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I don't think anyone can dispute the fact Crump took Holta off and therefore had to go. The fact Pedersen got lucky doesn't come into it. It would have been futile decision from the ref to exclude Pedersen in the final and the wrong one. I hate it when refs realise they've made a bad decision and try to undo it by punishing the opposition in some way. The ref was fair tonight in what were very taxing circumstances..... AND I wanted Crump to win! PS: As for Jacobs admission that Pedersen shut off: how would the ref know this? If the ref knew this then YES he should've excluded Pedersen but would it have made any difference at that stage? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Richardson did twice what Crump did once and Pedersen did once.... but Pedersen didn't get excluded. A decent meeting spoilt totally by a bad decision in the final. If he excluded Richardson twice for the same, then Pedersen should go too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyDB Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Possibly. Again, what about all this race throwing going on....certainly not what you could call "speedway racing" really is it! But hey, whatever anyone says about Crumps "bridesmaid" luck continuing, it will be called sourgrapes. It was good to see Jason shaking Nicki's hand though, I think both riders knew how much it meant... Good on Greg for winning the round though!! That's Hackney 95, Aussie 02 and now Norway where Greg has won the last round! Lets hope as Greg says he can start from the beginning next year! Sorry, Splatty, I have changed the subject, back to the subject then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg Trailer Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Stevehone, Who cares?! The championship was won! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KFC Baby Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I can't believe that the ref excluded andreas in the final! One, it was Nicki's fault (even thou i think nicki is great and im so pleased he is world champion!) And the World Championship wasn't to be decided either, it should have been all four bk in! The ref was appaling all nite, every single decision was wrong apart from when jason crump was excluded. There should be three referees to make a decision in grand prixs as they are so important to get right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Leg Trailer , obviously your a pedersen fan and you are going to say that , but please will you just face fact and realise that Mr.Pedersen should have been excluded :evil: ...he got away with things all night that he should not have . :x :evil: Why did the ref let this happen :evil: ???? Obvious he was a pedersen fan aswell because it was blatant that he done the same things as Crumpy and Richardson did and he got away with it :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: .... This is just my opinion and i know i would be backed up with a few ppl on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokiss Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 ...he got away with things all night that he should not have Go on then, like what? Poor in the final granted, but normally all 4 back isn't it.? Personaly i like the way the ref was holding the tapes so no rider got an advantage from any rollers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg Trailer Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I am not a Pedersen fan. Search my previous posts on the matter. I think Pedersen is dangerous and will one day do someone some serious harm. Look it up. I think him being crowned world champ will give him the impetus he needs to go ahead and think he's God on a bike. There will be injuries as a result. Mark my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pug/206 Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 the ref was a definate joke carn't beleve he excluded aj in the final just cus aj was goin to win the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 im not saying that Pedersen hasn't given it all and doesn't deserve the crown - im saying that once again Speedway has proved itself as not being a top sport by having shady decisions being made. Lets face it over the last 5 years there have been some disgraceful scenes involving Ole and referees It is a shame that so many bad decisions were made tonight - the L Richardson ones in particular As a footnote Jason did deserve his exclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sazzle Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 the ref made 2 bad decisions, tomasz gollob should have been excluded not lee richardson and it should have been all 4 back in the final. nicki was rightfully not excluded it wasnt as bad as what crump did who blatantly took holta's leg away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 it should have been all 4 back in the final. nicki was rightfully not excluded it wasnt as bad as what crump did who blatantly took holta's leg away. FWIW, I do not think Crump deliberately took Holta out. He was just a bit impatient and could / should have bided his time (I'm not a Crump fan BTW). As for the incident in the Final, it should have been all 4 back, but it made no difference anyway, so why get over excited about it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 i just felt the ref had actually been consistent all evening but then threw it away in the final. as leg trailer pointed out, the title was won, and fair play to Pedersen, but just to keep the continuety Pedersen should have gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jake Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Crumpy rightly excluded - he should have been excluded when he locked up trying to find a way around richardson so he rode his luck - good on the ginger for being man enough to give nicki credit for being the far superior of the two. Nicki shouldn't have been excluded from the last race the only contact was when Jonson put his foot down trying to ride a tighter line than Pedersen - it was Jonson's fault and I hope he gets fine for his disgraceful remarks towards the referee - however I do not find his actions suprising considering he rides for Coventry. Bjarne should have been celebrating his first GP win tonight; but the night goes to Nicki - world champ correctly predicted back in 1998 by myself - and there is at least another one I know can make it 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Whatever happened to all 4 back? I know there is no such rule as 1st bend bunching, but if either of the three incidents (2 with Lee Richardson and one with AJ/Nicki P) occured in an Elite League meeting I think we would have seen all 4 back. You are going to see hard 1st bends in a GP. Add to this the added issue of unpredictable man made tracks and I think a certain amount of leniency has to be given for 1st bend accidents. If riders were seen to be taking advantage of this then the referee would have to act. I thought Lee was harshly treated second time round. He had been moved over himself and did not seem to touch Gollob. However, if that was the precedent the referee wished to set he should have also excluded Pedersen in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 It was Jonson's fault and I hope he gets fine for his disgraceful remarks towards the referee - however I do not find his actions suprising considering he rides for Coventry. Would that be the same Coventry Stuart Robson rides for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jake Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 stuart was a newcastle rider he has done well to maintain those incredibly high standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokiss Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I don't know everything reguarding Aj. But from what ive seen this year he's been very calm when being excluded in the gp's. He's the one that just accepts it, and says well what can you do ect... He has every right to go off on one tonight imho, it was clear first bend bunching. Not that many get excluded in the turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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