Gemini Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 How can it be about money ? if he rode in england as well he would be earning more money than he is now .As i said before it's Scotts life and he can choose where he wants to work . I think I'm banging my head against a brick wall because the point I'm making is not getting through. I'm not saying he should ride in England as well. I'm saying if he is cheesed off with all the air travel & riding day in and day out and he wants to spend more time with his family then why not drop Poland/Sweden and just ride in the Elite League? The only air travel he would have to do then is to the G.P's. But he wouldn't choose that option would he because he gets more money riding in Poland than England; hence it's about money. Colin Cooke's post said In Scott's own words, "The reason i've gone the way i have this year is because it wasn't working for me riding day in day out & flitting from airport terminal to airport terminal". Anyway, I couldn't give a monkeys where he rides or what he does (just giving my opinion) so at least we are agreed on that bit, although I wouldn't mind seeing your list of the million sportsmen who earn their living outside where they were born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Where are you Orion? Still making that list of a million other sportsmen who don't bother with their own country but prefer to earn their living elsewhere? I'll let you include sportswomen as well if it will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I understand you're point Gemini but don't see what the problem is with it. Of course money is playing a part but that's not the be all and end all of it. To be fair, I don't think I've heard Scott say that money was not a factor. He feels that riding in three leagues and the GP's was just getting to much, especially with time being spent away from the family. Basically, something had to give to enable him to feel fresher for GP's, see more of his wife and daughter and still earn a decent living. As it's well documented that more money can be earned in Poland and Sweden, missing the Elite league was the obvious choice. Why should that choice effect his position within team GB or the British Champs? There is no logical reason to suggest it should. It is HIS choice and he's entitled to it. You and me can make choices about our careers or family, why should he be any different? He doesn't owe us anything. Should all the Aussie's not be alllowed to ride for their country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 It's no good arguing with you because I agree with what you say. It was Orion saying it wasn't about money when of course the decision he made had a lot to do with money, otherwise Scott would have ridden in the E.L. and given up riding abroad if he was that cheesed off going from one airport terminal to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I humbly apologise Gemini! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 It's no good arguing with you because I agree with what you say. It was Orion saying it wasn't about money when of course the decision he made had a lot to do with money, otherwise Scott would have ridden in the E.L. and given up riding abroad if he was that cheesed off going from one airport terminal to another. Disagree Gemini. I have seen some of Scott's comments on missing the EL and it was to do with a reduced racing schedule, travelling time and time with his family. Poland meetings are on Sundays, Sweden on Tuesdays which makes it fairly easily to plan homelife around. In the EL, you can be called upon to ride on any day of the week, sometmes at short notice due to rain offs and it's this that led to him giving the EL a miss for a year - nothing to do with money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I wonder if it isn't wiser for riders like Nicholls to forego the GP circus and stick to domestic racing instead. The myth is that you have a chance of glory and mega money, but clearly the majority struggle to make GP pay. Remembering Paul Scholes and others giving up playing for England to concentrate on their club, it's surely better for all parties for the likes of Nicholls and the EL clubs to be loyal to one another and forget the international scene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Should all the Aussie's not be alllowed to ride for their country? Forgot to comment on that bit. Aussie's are a bad example for you to choose because their season is at a different time to ours. What you need is a Polish/Danish/Swedish rider to compare with who doesn't ride in his own country but rides in England. Now that's a bit more difficult isn't it? Anyway, I give up now as I'm no good at arguing and Orion hasn't bothered to come back with his million sportsmen. I agree with AndyM's post as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Fair enough Gemini, the Aussies were a bad example! I was just trying to emphasise that you should be able to represent you're nation no matter where you ply you're trade, should have thought of a better example! On AndyM's post, I do feel Scott will turn the GP's in if he doesn't make the top 8 this season. I really hope he can make the top 8 though, the guy has bags of determination and obviously has plenty of desire as he is trying everything to find the consistancy he lacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Actually guys there is an argument that the Aussies are a good example Currently our promoters are bending over backwards so far to accomodate them and gain them as assets that they are compromising the chances of our own youngsters at PL reserve and in the middle order .............. They ride over here because this annual migration kills any chance of them building any kind of credible league in their own country and also because the opportunities here are too good to turn down......... Scott Nicholls rides in Sweden and Poland in preference of GB because the opportunities are too good to turn down The people who are treating him almost like a Judas figure have double standards imo........ they have no issue in every man and his dog coming to ride in this country and ultimately over time strangling the quantity (and by proxy quality) of home riders coming through .....and yet when one of our top riders decides it would make his life more simple to not ride here there is moral outrage and bizarrely connections are made between this and his place in the national team Edited April 30, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Erm ................................. Just as well Subedei is banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Cowboy Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) Can nicholls finally deliver the goods this year ? NO. Edited May 9, 2009 by Concrete Cowboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Sadly he's the best of a sub world-class standard British bunch. Bit like supporting the Scotland football team - keep your fingers crossed & hope for the best in future years! (No offence Paulco & others!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) Scott was in absolutely terrible form tonight & is in desperate need of more track time. I could've predicted this when the announcement was made last year. Edited May 9, 2009 by colincooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I am and always be a supporter of Scott, he was a Coventry rider and he is British, so I will support my home riders. My loyalty will never change in that respect, if he performs badly or not. Tonight was not just embarrassing, but shameful . I had my head buried in a cushion every time he rode... 1 point from five rides... There is nothing you can say really..apart from..there's time yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Terrible performance from our 'number 1'... At least Chris looked like he was going for it most of the time. Absolutely nothing good from Scott all night.... I fear we are going to go into Cardiff waiting for our first British heat winner yet again!... Bring on Richardson/Woffinden/Bridger/Whoever to give us something to cheer about in Cardiff! Time for the Global Superstar to step aside and let the first reserve (Niels-Kristian Iversen) at least put on a show! As I said in an earlier post, numerous riders deserve a place over Scott and Chris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Scott was in absolutely terrible form tonight & is in desperate need of more track time. I could've predicted this when the announcement was made last year. "In need of more track time"... therefore its of his own doing! I'm not anti-Scott, but it is very sweet to see the British number 1 who turned his back struggling due to a lack of track time. But deep down I don't really think he'd be doing alot more if he was in the elite, he's just not good enough on the continent. unlike Richardson who as far as i know has good form in Sweden/Poland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 There is nothing you can say really..apart from..there's time yet... Yep he has a whole three weeks to opt out of the series and save us all more embarassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatekeeper522 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I am and always be a supporter of Scott, he was a Coventry rider and he is British, so I will support my home riders. My loyalty will never change in that respect, if he performs badly or not. Tonight was not just embarrassing, but shameful . I had my head buried in a cushion every time he rode... 1 point from five rides... There is nothing you can say really..apart from..there's time yet... im with you jacques he is british and worth supporting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 im with you jacques he is british and worth supporting time for what ??as he gets older quicker?!!all i can say is i would rather of seen Balinski in the meeting as he would of contributed to the racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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