wotnoaj Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 If it did improve his performances would you give him any credit? I very much doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 If a rider deserve credit i will give them it happily but Scott is over-rated thats my opinion simple as that. Â Its proven he aint good enough to qualify for the GP series and he will never win the series or challenge any of the top places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I feel that Scott Nicholls is one of the greatest team riders England has produced. Both at national and club level he continues to excel. Â I do feel, however, that he lacks that extra edge that marks out the great individual contest competitor. Speedway being primarily a team sport this is not in any way to Scott's detriment except, of course, financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I've got no problem with you're opinion Snyper, you're as entitled as anyone. Some believe he should be in the GP's, some don't, simple as. I'm realistic, I know he won't be World Champion and is unlikely to trouble the top three. I don't think that's enough to rule him out though. There are several riders in the GP that realistically won't trouble the top three but the competition wouldn't be as good without them. Â I'm off to watch the U 21's now, hopefully there will be future GP star in the making on display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 It's very noticeable that while the previously dominant teams in F1 don't like the regulations that have eliminated their inbuilt advantage, the sport is getting a lot of positive press from the fact that different drivers from different teams are now winning races and the whole thing is much less predictable than for a long time. Evidently the viewing public approves of more opportunities for passing and a more open title. Â Is it not time for a similar rethink within speedway to level out the inbuilt advantage apparently enjoyed by some riders within the GP circus, at least as far as their equipment goes? Should we not be relying totally on skill and less on equipment to determine the world champion? The idea someone had for bikes in league matches to be owned by the home track and allocated by a lottery might work well in GPs. If every machine were otherwise identical, would it be the same riders who won out every time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 KT has been with him thoughout the winter in various countries. Â I think I'm beginning to see the problem.. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) flippin heck Snyper how on earth does everything boil down to a william wallace argument? in speedway terms I couldnt care less about Scotland or England because they ride with a nationality of BRITISH........... and if I feel the need to obsess about such things i'll find a suitable site with like minded 'opponents' to argue with  Its is black and white though. it doesnt matter how many GPs he missed or by how many points he failed the fact is if he was as capable as people say he wouldnt be fighting for the final qualification place and missing out by a few points here and there. He is a wild card lover simple as that and is taking up a place in the series that could go elsewhere   He's only in because Britain is a major speedway nation and hosts the showcase GP. As the best British rider, there's no other choice but to seed him. If he were from a minor speedway nation, does anyone really believe he'd have been seeded back in the number of times he has?  the issue here is that you are both professional Scott Nichols knockers...... we dont have a world championship we have a GP system.... and within that GP system are certain givens.......top 8 come back, major hosting nations are represented, at least 2 of finishing positions 9-12 are given permanent wildcards  I used to go to world finals when there were at least 4 eastern europeans included who before the meeting were a safe bet to score 10 points between them but they were included because they had come through the qualifying round that ensured that eastern europe were involved in the final.......... utimately they had little chance of winning and nothing has changed on that score for at least 2 thirds of the gp field.... and certainly annually for the wild cards  Scotty knocking really is an ashamedly easy sport....... we know the guy's historical deficiencies and he fits in too well to the tragic habit we have in Britain of knocking our stars down............. the simple fact of the matter is that he has shown year after year, GP after GP that he is about 9th best in the world............ this is amongst a whole host of other wildcards and qualifiers who have come and gone and not managed to crack the top 8..... but they also havent managed to crack the top 9!  So there are some basic facts that do not look like changing....... Scott is Britain's best rider overall worldwide until someone changes that........ BSI/FIM will make sure that Britain is involved........ He does make it easy for them to pick him due to only just missing out on the top 8 ......... and there is no one who is ready to take his place without potentially hurting their careers  the only successful end for those who have seen enough of Scott is for at least a couple of Harris, Kennett, Woffinden, Bridger to raise the bar and justify their place and not just in the short term   meanwhile Scott will no doubt keep plugging away but as ive posted before this is a major season for him and comes on the back of a succession of changes to his approach down the years.... hopefully he has got it right Edited April 24, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 It's very noticeable that while the previously dominant teams in F1 don't like the regulations that have eliminated their inbuilt advantage, the sport is getting a lot of positive press from the fact that different drivers from different teams are now winning races and the whole thing is much less predictable than for a long time. Evidently the viewing public approves of more opportunities for passing and a more open title. Is it not time for a similar rethink within speedway to level out the inbuilt advantage apparently enjoyed by some riders within the GP circus, at least as far as their equipment goes? Should we not be relying totally on skill and less on equipment to determine the world champion? The idea someone had for bikes in league matches to be owned by the home track and allocated by a lottery might work well in GPs. If every machine were otherwise identical, would it be the same riders who won out every time?  spot on as ever andy... although I dont think allocated machinery would work..... what if a rider was allocated two badly setup bikes? what if there was one obviously superior bike?   if the truth be known a major rethink involving machinery should have happened donkeys years ago........ costs need to be brought down and the margins of extra performance gained between one tuner to another need to be slimmed............. the issue I fear is political and administerial...... if cost was a factor then it would need to apply worldwide and I just cant see the national governing bodies all agreeing at the same time along with FIM, BSI and the riders etc   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Nothing different from Nicholls again tonight. A good rider no doubt about that but a shame he has all the country's expectations on his shoulders. How long before he's back racing in the Elite League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 He's in the Top 16 in the world but probably not the Top 8. Just like any other year really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 He's in the Top 16 in the world but probably not the Top 8. Just like any other year really. Â Â On what criteria is he in the top 16. He was 27th in the averages in Poland last season and 18th in Sweden's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 spot on as ever andy... although I dont think allocated machinery would work..... what if a rider was allocated two badly setup bikes? what if there was one obviously superior bike? If they were all set up identically, surely that wouldn't be a problem? Sure, components can change but a lottery to determine who had which bike would prevent any cheating in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 On what criteria is he in the top 16. He was 27th in the averages in Poland last season and 18th in Sweden's Difference between what a rider is capable of on the day and his results. Are league averages from one country an indicator of which are the best riders in the world? Quite possibly not. That said, I agree that he isn't consistently capable of beating the best, week in week out. But what is he doing about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 It's very noticeable that while the previously dominant teams in F1 don't like the regulations that have eliminated their inbuilt advantage, the sport is getting a lot of positive press from the fact that different drivers from different teams are now winning races and the whole thing is much less predictable than for a long time. Evidently the viewing public approves of more opportunities for passing and a more open title. Is it not time for a similar rethink within speedway to level out the inbuilt advantage apparently enjoyed by some riders within the GP circus, at least as far as their equipment goes? Should we not be relying totally on skill and less on equipment to determine the world champion? The idea someone had for bikes in league matches to be owned by the home track and allocated by a lottery might work well in GPs. If every machine were otherwise identical, would it be the same riders who won out every time?   I do worry about you somtimes Andy!  I think you need to get out more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I do worry about you somtimes Andy! I think you need to get out more  Thanks, Kid, but I get out quite a lot actually. Down your way via London yesterday, for example!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 no   Next thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 After tonight performance I have to say that Scott is not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 The keyword in GP series is 'series' though  It was the same for all riders tonight so Scott has no excuse for being p1$$ poor......... but the fact that his gating is far from world class automatically stuffs him when we get a p1$$ poor ole olsen special track like tonight............ having said that his bikes werent fast either  the Nicholls camp wont be a happy one tonight thats for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Â Thanks, Kid, but I get out quite a lot actually. Down your way via London yesterday, for example!! Â Â Yep so I heard, sorry I missed you. I gave that one a miss! Â Had a great game of golf though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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