mickthemuppet Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has just announced that the Grand Prix will be decided on race wins this season and not on points . Should Speedway Grand Prix's go down the same route . I don't know if this would make much difference to the results although Mark Loram certainly would not have won Has Formua One got it right or have they make a great mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 The mistake they have made is to tinker around with stupid pointless things that will only serve to annoy fans, just like speedway does! They changed the points system about 6 years ago to try and stop Schumi running away with it each year. They increased the points scored for 2nd place which they hoped would reward consistancy over outright race wins. It didn't work and Schumi still kept winning titles but now ironically they seem to want to go back the other way and reward race wins over consistancy. Like I said, pointless tinkering. They'll be introducing a play off system soon like they have in NASCAR. Anything to try and artificially make it closer rather than work on the real issues of why the racing is boring! De Ja Vu anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has just announced that the Grand Prix will be decided on race wins this season and not on points . Should Speedway Grand Prix's go down the same route . I don't know if this would make much difference to the results although Mark Loram certainly would not have won Has Formua One got it right or have they make a great mistake? I can understand why they have done it in F1, to make the racing more exciting as nothing less than a win will do and everyone will try that bit harder. Not sure if they should do it in speedway though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 It's a mystery why F1 would change their points system after the most exciting championship chase in history. I guess they want the top drivers to dice for wins rather than settle for points. In Speedway the system needs changing as for the last few years the title has been decided or been a formality with several rounds to go. Since they went to 16 riders it seems we all know who the winner will be by halfway through. The 16 rider format is fair but the 24 rider format was more unpredictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper-racing.co.uk Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has just announced that the Grand Prix will be decided on race wins this season and not on points . Should Speedway Grand Prix's go down the same route . I don't know if this would make much difference to the results although Mark Loram certainly would not have won Has Formua One got it right or have they make a great mistake? NO - for one Ecclestone just milks as much money out of the sport as he can - hes practically killed it - surely when a big team like Honda says no more things need to be changed. What I do think should have been kept is the knockout formula - it was much more exciting seeing the top boy go out at half way - it gave a wildcard a chance of winning. Although the top 8 from a round should start the next from the beginning - wheras the bottom 8 should start halfway - making it a bad thing to win all the time as you have to work harder you would get a true champ then. At the moment all we get is one rider dominating and few else can compete. The thing is - to be world champ you should be consistantly good - (like Mark was) if you just win one or 2 rounds it could be just luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Deja Vu indeed. It's a ridiculous idea, and I genuinely fear speedway will follow suit. Pointless tinkering is just p!$$ing me off in speedway, and now F1 has done it too. Honestly, why don't Ferrari just have their own series and let everyone else race on an even footing?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Should Speedway follow F1?-- NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK Rides Again Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) NO - for one Ecclestone just milks as much money out of the sport as he can - hes practically killed it - surely when a big team like Honda says no more things need to be changed. What I do think should have been kept is the knockout formula - it was much more exciting seeing the top boy go out at half way - it gave a wildcard a chance of winning. Although the top 8 from a round should start the next from the beginning - wheras the bottom 8 should start halfway - making it a bad thing to win all the time as you have to work harder you would get a true champ then. At the moment all we get is one rider dominating and few else can compete. The thing is - to be world champ you should be consistantly good - (like Mark was) if you just win one or 2 rounds it could be just luck! For one thing, Bernie shouldn't be begrudged for making money from F1, far from killing it, he's the one responsible for taking it from a race series that was dead on it's arse and turning it into the global phenomenon that it is today; if you've even slightly looked forward to putting your feet up in front of the telly to watch the GP in the last 30 years, thank Bernie, he made that possible (and paved the way for many other kinds of motorsport that appear on your idiot lantern most weeks during the season). For another, don't be concerned about companies like Honda leaving the series; start worrying when Ferrari or McLaren make noises about bailing out, then F1 is really in trouble. Edited March 18, 2009 by DK Rides Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czechhero Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Speedway GP (in the main)= exciting F1= boring drivel. Only comes anywhere near being vaguely interesting when something goes wrong in the race. Leave the SGPs as they are. IMO of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) I don't even consider F1 to be a sport. As far as I'm concerned Lewis Hamilton is just a glorified computer operator. As for speedway, I'd definitely be in favour of a return to the one-off World Final however, principally for the excitement factor, but also because it would definitely benefit our domestic competitions. Edited March 18, 2009 by Seb the Snail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interstellar_stars Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 No way! The whole F1 wins over points thing is the biggest joke I've ever heard in the sport (and there's been a fair few over the years!). Think of this as a potential situation... In a 17 race season one driver wins 8 grand prix and finishes 2nd in the remaining 9, another driver wins those other GP's but retires in the other 8. So with 10 points for a win and 8 for a second, driver 1 finishes the season with 152 championship points while the newly crowned World Champion finishes with 90. I know its an extreme scenario, but how could any sport be taken seriously if this happened?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 F1 just doesn't do anything for me. They might just as well get all teams to do a pit stop with full wheel change, re-fuel identical quantities and then see who can get out of the pit lane the quickest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 What I do think should have been kept is the knockout formula - it was much more exciting seeing the top boy go out at half way - it gave a wildcard a chance of winning. Although the top 8 from a round should start the next from the beginning - wheras the bottom 8 should start halfway - making it a bad thing to win all the time as you have to work harder you would get a true champ then. At the moment all we get is one rider dominating and few else can compete. The thing is - to be world champ you should be consistantly good - (like Mark was) if you just win one or 2 rounds it could be just luck! I tend to agree. It used to build up in interest and excitement as the meeting progressed. Would have liked to have seen all riders being guaranteed more than 2 rides though. When John Postlethwaite was asked at the time why it had been changed he said it was easier for the fans to follow and it didn't require them having to work out who went where in the subsequent races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 years back i used to be hooked on F1, i'd stay up through the night to watch the season opener in Melbourne and never miss a race. Now i might catch the odd 5mins here and there but couldn't care less if i never see it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Awful idea introduced by Bernie and the FIA, I almost hope somebody wins the first 5 or 6 races and then the next faive are all split between differing drivers so the the title is decided in July! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellallthepeople Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 SGP should never have altered the format with eliminators at various points in the proceedings. made it more unpredictable and exciting. F1 is boring so hardly a role model to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Sad state of affairs....agree with Squall.....used to get up and watch F1 all the time....will definitely not bother now. Speedway WILL probably follow F1 sooner or later...sad if it does.....but then who really cares, it seems most don't care for the current GP system anyway. Although 40,000+ fans at Cardiff may not agree!!! I like the GP's....but I DO miss the one off World Final! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 In a 17 race season one driver wins 8 grand prix and finishes 2nd in the remaining 9, another driver wins those other GP's but retires in the other 8. So with 10 points for a win and 8 for a second, driver 1 finishes the season with 152 championship points while the newly crowned World Champion finishes with 90. I know its an extreme scenario, but how could any sport be taken seriously if this happened?! Is that any worse than Speedway, where the same rider could win every GP and still not be World Champion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Sad state of affairs....agree with Squall.....used to get up and watch F1 all the time....will definitely not bother now. Speedway WILL probably follow F1 sooner or later...sad if it does.....but then who really cares, it seems most don't care for the current GP system anyway. Although 40,000+ fans at Cardiff may not agree!!! I like the GP's....but I DO miss the one off World Final! I was a huge F1 fan from the days of Alan Jones and Keke Rosberg through to the Mansell, Senna and Hill days......... and then the sport became based on the wrong things...... as well as quite obviously being bent I'm now looking forward to every grand prix ... not only because it is about real driving again but also because of how tightly grouped relatively all the teams are The best thing speedway could do is to finally take an interest in the machinery......... standardising would not only be good for the racing but also for costs......... the savings would go all the way to the promoters and consequently the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Wouldn't want to see speedway adopt this rule, though like F1 I think our authorities should be reviewing the machinery used in order to simplify, standardise and slow down the sport, reducing costs in the process. Also I think we should adopt sin bins from rugby so a rider guilty of an offence could be banned from his next 1-5 races depending on the seriousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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