Lejon Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hi! Just curious.... In the old BL format 13 heats -after what heat was there a longer interval? In the Swedeish elite and Allsvenskan the longer interval is after heat 10. And looking through old season reviews för example White City had two meetings on the same night - how was this managed? One entry fee and one startingtime or two meetings and vice versa? Thanks in advance lejon aka Joakim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Under the old 13 heat format there was usually a second half of scratch races, reserves' races and so on. The interval was at the end of the match after the 13 heats. There have been many double-headers throughout speedway history. The second match just follows the first. Admission price is normally the same as for a single match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lejon Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Under the old 13 heat format there was usually a second half of scratch races, reserves' races and so on. The interval was at the end of the match after the 13 heats. There have been many double-headers throughout speedway history. The second match just follows the first. Admission price is normally the same as for a single match. [/quote So no real break for fans to wonder away and leave the seat during meetings then! The reason why I asked about the double meetings was that the takings at the gates must be lesser for double meetings if you don´t expect huge away followings. On the other hand you save costs for the staff. Viable business or just try to get the numbers of meetings in a 16-17 teams tournament? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 A double-header meeting was usually used to enable the re-run of a rained-off meeting before they allowed the score to stand after a pre-determined number of heats had been raced on the rain-off date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lejon Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 A double-header meeting was usually used to enable the re-run of a rained-off meeting before they allowed the score to stand after a pre-determined number of heats had been raced on the rain-off date Yes I can see that nowlooking through some seasons and clubs. Still - maybe a daft question: If attending a double header.... Where ýou charged for one 13 heat meeting or a higher priced etrance fee with discount for both of them ? One or two programmes at the meeting? One first meeting with another one directly after? Any break for the home team riders & preparation before next meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Can't remember on entrance, but may have been "unofficially" cheaper if you just turned up for the second match. It was one programme for the meeting with two seperate score sheets incorporated. One meeting - interval - other meeting. Edited February 22, 2009 by Grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervjankefanclub Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Under the old 13 heat format there was usually a second half of scratch races, reserves' races and so on. The interval was at the end of the match after the 13 heats. There have been many double-headers throughout speedway history. The second match just follows the first. Admission price is normally the same as for a single match. Promotions do tend to avoid double headers if possible as they hit them in the pocket, so they usually stick a few quid onto the normal admission prices when they are forced to stage one, Norbold. Thankfully though they are few and far betwen these days. Glasgow had one a couple of years back that took well over 5 hours to complete, with well over an hour in between both meetings for no apparent reason and no explanation why afterwards, as there were no accidents or lengthy delays to speak of. What made it even worse was the fact that it was October and absolutely freezing. Rye House were a club who staged quite a lot of them in the late 70s/early 80s and I seem to remember Wolverhampton staged what seemed like a full season of them on Sunday afternoons when they took part in the 1981 National League, I believe the reason was to get the season over as quickly as possible. Edited February 22, 2009 by mervjankefanclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miro Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Wagstaff staged week after week of a Conference season at Oxford as double headers, and highly enjoyable they were too. At £10.00 for 30 races it was about the right price and value for Speedway. Edited February 22, 2009 by miro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Promotions do tend to avoid double headers if possible as they hit them in the pocket, so they usually stick a few quid onto the normal admission prices when they are forced to stage one, Norbold. Never happened in my day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Never happened in my day! Quite so, - it ws the same price as thru the season in the '60s amd '70s. But things seem to be different today ! (When the transition happened I dont know.) P'boro had a Double Header ~3yrs ago against Eastbourne, - BOTH matches ! ! , the A and B fixtures in one night ! Why they couldn't have run one mtg - it used to be done by plan, not weather, for some Prov.Lg and Nor.Lge matches in '60s - , and put the score to the E'bourne legs for 2 different aggegates is a mystery to me, - AND the price went up, from £15 to £25 if I remember correctly. Dont ask what the turn-out was like, 'cos needless to say, I didn't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervjankefanclub Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Never happened in my day! Cant say I noticed Norbold, in the 70s at least, as it was coming out my old mans pocket. A bit different now its my own hard earned Must be a different breed of promoter these days, fans are just an afterthought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lejon Posted February 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Thanks all for the full story behind it and the sometimes hard consequenses for the fans - still makes the statemen come true though - "British speedway is business first , sport comes second" wast´nt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Harringay staged a number of double-headers to complete the schedule for their last season but even then I think some were left "not-run". This was during the 1950's. I do not recall Norwich Stars staging a double-header at all before the closure in 1964 althogh we rode in some "away" during the time the team were in existance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lejon Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 One aspect that made me intersted in how they reported these meetings is that in the eminent book "Bristol Bulldogs" by Dave Woods and Geoff Rose the Bulldogs had during the `77 season: The 26th Aug the met Hulll and Exeter in a doublemeeting.The reported crowd was 11250.The meeting before and after was 8000 against Reading and 6500 against Hackney.The other meeting was the 14th october aganst White City and a S/F in the Knock out cup against Reading.Crowd 12752. Meeting a week before 10152 against Poole and the week after 7849 against Birmingham. Accordning to the book the League Average for that season was 8617 for 18 homemeetings and the doubleheader meeting crowd must have been recodred twice still there were only (!) 11250 present - not 22500. You could prove a lot with stats , can´t you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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