speedyguy Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 When debate takes place in regard to speedway films, it usually involves 'Once A Jolly Swagman.' In 1951, there was another speedway film 'There Is Another Sun' featuring Maxwell Reed and Laurence Harvey. The topic is currently underway on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi The main thrust of the debate is 'were the action shots taken at Walthamstow'? I have been told that the action scenes for the film 'There Is Another Sun', as was the case with 'Once A Jolly Swagman' were shot at New Cross. Personally, I don't recall this but in the years 1950-1952 I was doing RAF National Service far from London and did not have much time to keep in touch with speedway in those years. As response is now dragging on, it would seem the matter will remain one of speedway's great mysteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Looking for winners of the New Cross-staged 'Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy' on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Only known winner is Peter Craven (Belle Vue) in either 1960 or 1961. I am certain that Ron Johnson (NX and Australia) must have won it a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Looking for winners of the New Cross-staged 'Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy' on Only known winner is Peter Craven (Belle Vue) in either 1960 or 1961. Hmmm.... 1960: Ronnie Moore 1961: Jack Young (Actually Peter Craven won it in 1959) Jack Milne was the first winner in 1936. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Hmmm.... 1960: Ronnie Moore 1961: Jack Young (Actually Peter Craven won it in 1959) Jack Milne was the first winner in 1936. I cannot find the years but I am certain that in the post-war seasons when I went to New Cross, it always seemed that Ron Johnson was the winner. http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 There are now details of London team squads from 1929-39 (except) for 1930, and many similar lists from 1946 onwards to be found on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Also listed are items regarding the World Championship, The Star Riders Championship, British Riders Championship, many local track championships, test match details (in process of updating) and much other matter regarding the sport in London from 1928-2005. A lot of the material on the site is being constantly updated, But if you ever followed a London club or the sport in the capital, there's hopefully something of interest for you. And, like all discussion type groups, input from speedway followers is always welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 It now seems incredible that at one time, as shown in the preceding comments, there was so much interest and comment in regard to speedway activity in London. Sadly all is now no more than fond memories of speedway's golden era. And of current concern, as I see it much of what happened to speedway in London in past years is now repeating itself at national level. However, the basic reason for my research on this thread was to find more on the tiny 'two riders at a time on track' circuit at Chiswick. There is scant refrrence to it in preceding comments. Can anyone give more data about the place please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) On 3/22/2009 at 4:24 PM, speedyguy said: When debate takes place in regard to speedway films, it usually involves 'Once A Jolly Swagman.' In 1951, there was another speedway film 'There Is Another Sun' featuring Maxwell Reed and Laurence Harvey. The topic is currently underway on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi The main thrust of the debate is 'were the action shots taken at Walthamstow'? I know it`s old(2009 question) but it was Walthamstow Speedway as they are credited in the opening titles of the film which is in full here Edited January 18, 2019 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 3/28/2009 at 9:59 AM, speedyguy said: I have been told that the action scenes for the film 'There Is Another Sun', as was the case with 'Once A Jolly Swagman' were shot at New Cross. Personally, I don't recall this but in the years 1950-1952 I was doing RAF National Service far from London and did not have much time to keep in touch with speedway in those years. As response is now dragging on, it would seem the matter will remain one of speedway's great mysteries. 21 minutes ago, racers and royals said: I know it`s old(2009 question) but it was Walthamstow Speedway as they are credited in the opening titles of the film which is in full here I have found this Link in regard to the film 'There Is Another Sun': http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/thread/544/film-another-sun-1951 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Who is(or was) this Speedguy chap ? or shouldn`t i ask ? Why was he banned ? Edited January 18, 2019 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Who is(or was) this Speedguy chap ? or shouldn`t i ask ? Why was he banned ? I am POSITIVE that you know speedyguy was me! I was indeed rightly banned for having several BSF registration member names some years ago. After more than a year the BSF moderation allowed me to return and I chose the name gustix. That return must have been nearly three years ago. Since then I have endeavoured to make Posts within the accepted guidelines of the BSF and think I have met them. Does that satisfy you racers and royals? Now can we resume debate in regard to 'London History Site'? Edited January 18, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, gustix said: I am POSITIVE that you know speedyguy was me! I was indeed rightly banned for having several BSF registration member names some years ago. After more than a year the BSF moderation allowed me to return and I chose the name gustix. That return must have been nearly three years ago. Since then I have endeavoured make Posts within the accepted guidelines of the BSF and think I have met them. Does that satisfy you racers and royals? Now can we resume debate in regard to 'London History Site'? I solve a 10year old mystery and all i get for my trouble is a load of abuse !!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, racers and royals said: I solve a 10year old mystery and all i get for my trouble is a load of abuse !!!!! Was my response abusive racers and royals? You asked who speedyguy was and I gave a straightforward background to that. In what context was my response abusive to you? How else could I have replied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 4/30/2009 at 5:44 PM, speedyguy said: Looking for winners of the New Cross-staged 'Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy' on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Only known winner is Peter Craven (Belle Vue) in either 1960 or 1961. I am certain that Ron Johnson (NX and Australia) must have won it a few times. On 4/30/2009 at 8:12 PM, norbold said: Hmmm.... 1960: Ronnie Moore 1961: Jack Young (Actually Peter Craven won it in 1959) Jack Milne was the first winner in 1936. On 4/30/2009 at 9:24 PM, speedyguy said: I cannot find the years but I am certain that in the post-war seasons when I went to New Cross, it always seemed that Ron Johnson was the winner. http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi This Link tends to deviate from the theme in places but I think does eventually provide some needed data in regards to winners of the Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy. http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/thread/349/tom-farndon-memorial-trophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 2/13/2009 at 9:51 PM, speedyguy said: Many thanks for this reply which has been posted on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi speedyguy On 2/14/2009 at 1:21 AM, DK Rides Again said: It might be good if you made your forum easier to access. I don't want to register as a member until I know what kind of site I'm registering on; I may (or may not) be able to make a valuable or interesting contribution to your forum, but I don't know if I can, because I don't have the opportunity to find out if it's the kind of site I might like. On 2/15/2009 at 4:31 PM, speedyguy said: I don't see any problems. If you don't like a site, after you register you can always leave it. http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Who knows - you'll probably find something of speedway historical interest. As the last quote says - if you register then don't like the forum, one just cancels membership. There's no problem in that so far as I can see http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 4/30/2009 at 5:44 PM, speedyguy said: Looking for winners of the New Cross-staged 'Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy' on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgiOnly known winner is Peter Craven (Belle Vue) in either 1960 or 1961. I am certain that Ron Johnson (NX and Australia) must have won it a few times. 18/09/1935: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - ERIC LANGTON30/09/1936: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JACK MILNE /1937: FARNDONMEMORIAL TROPHY - BLUEY WILKINSON12/10/1938: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - BLUEY WILKINSON 02/10/1946: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - MALCOLM CRAVEN08/10/1947: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JEFF LLOYD28/10/1948: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - HOWDY BYFORD /1949: FARNDON MEMORIALTROPHY - WILBUR LAMOREAUX09/08/1950: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - GRAHAM WARREN11/07/1951: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JACK YOUNG23/09/1959: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - PETER CRAVEN24/08/1960: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - RONNIE MOORE06/09/1961: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JACK YOUNG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Interesting to note that only two riders won the trophy twice. Both were Australians who had strong links to West Ham - Bluey Wilkinson and Jack Young. Edited January 18, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 14 hours ago, racers and royals said: I solve a 10year old mystery and all i get for my trouble is a load of abuse !!!!! That's how he operates sadly. He was speedyguy, jack keen, and many more. Banned from here, and banned from the very tranquil speedway yahoogroups site. Now he's just plain old John Hyam. Bitter, pedantic, negative, miserable as sin, and sadly, living in close proximity to me now i'm based in South London. Anyway, Hope you're well r&r. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) On 4/30/2009 at 9:24 PM, speedyguy said: THE FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY: I cannot find the years but I am certain that in the post-war seasons when I went to New Cross, it always seemed that Ron Johnson was the winner. http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi 18 hours ago, gustix said: 18/09/1935: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - ERIC LANGTON30/09/1936: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JACK MILNE /1937: FARNDONMEMORIAL TROPHY - BLUEY WILKINSON12/10/1938: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - BLUEY WILKINSON 02/10/1946: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - MALCOLM CRAVEN08/10/1947: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JEFF LLOYD28/10/1948: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - HOWDY BYFORD /1949: FARNDON MEMORIALTROPHY - WILBUR LAMOREAUX09/08/1950: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - GRAHAM WARREN11/07/1951: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JACK YOUNG23/09/1959: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - PETER CRAVEN24/08/1960: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - RONNIE MOORE06/09/1961: FARNDON MEMORIAL TROPHY - JACK YOUNG Looking at the two quotes: the first regarding my thoughts on Ron Johnson's role in regard to the Tommy Farndon Memorial Trophy, then the subsequent list of winners, it seems I was off the beat in that respect. Now I wonder - could it have instead been Ron Johnson having success in the London Riders Championship? Edited January 19, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, gustix said: Looking at the two quotes: the first regarding my thoughts on Ron Johnson's role in regard to the Tommy Farndon Memorial Trophy, then the subsequent list of winners, it seems I was off the beat in that respect. Now I wonder - could it have instead been Ron Johnson having success in the London Riders Championship? Ron Johnson won the London Riders' Championship in 1945 and 1946. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Aside from the London Riders Championship, the London clubs also contested a team event - the London Cup. I have traced these details in regard to it but anticipate some amendments could possibly be needed. Where no scores are given the FIRST named team are assumed to have been the winners! LONDON CUP FINALS: 1930: 1931: Crystal Palace 114 Wembley 76 1932: Wembley 99 Stamford Bridge 92 1933: Wembley 140 Wimbledon 109 1934: New Cross 114 West Ham 97 1935: Harringay 120 West Ham 92 1936: Hackney Wick 127 Harringay 88 1937: New Cross v West Ham 1938: Wimbledon v New Cross 1939: Wimbledon v New Cross 1946: Wembley v Wimbledon 1947: New Cross 110 Wembley 105 1948: Wembley v New Cross 1949: Wembley v West Ham 1950: 1951: 1952: 1953: Harringay 110 West Ham 105 1959: Challenge - Belle Vue 110 Wimbledon 99 Edited January 19, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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