raymondbudd Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Anyone have any ideas as to the 2004 wild cards. Who deserves one and who will get one may not be the same thing. I suspect that Mark Loram will get one and maybe Lee Richardson, but what about Lukas Dryml and M.Max. The'll need Drymal for Czech interest, but I think Max could be blown out. I'd be interested in anyone elses opinion. Also if Protesiewicz qualifies automatically will Simon Stead take a place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 * Loram * Lukas Dryml * Lee Richardson * Tomas Bajerski * Jarek Hampel * Billy Janniro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Definitely Loramski and Hampel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Heard a rumour Lee Richardson, do they take bets on this sort of thing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 I don't think John Postlethwaite will give a yank a wildcard after they pulled out of world cup at the last minute. Loram Richardson Hampel Lukas Dryml Matej Zagar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pug/206 Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 * Loram * Lukas Dryml * Lee Richardson * Tomas Bajerski * Jarek Hampel * Billy Janniro? agree. BJ in the gp's betta watch out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Not sure of who is in the top 10! But what about Hans Andersen and Andreas Jonsson??? Both had a few very strong performances and had they both not ben in a crash in the gp a few weeks back they both could have been in the final I think we will only get one brit back in with Scotty already in the top10(lets hope he stays there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 I think Dryml, Loram and Jonsson are all likely to get the nod. Not only are they all damn good riders who have had some bad luck this year. But - and perhaps more crucially - they are big favourites for the TV boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 OK, Top 10 Jason Crump Nicki Pedersen Tony Rickardsson Leigh Adams Tomasz Gollob Greg Hancock Scott Nicholls Ryan Sullivan Rune Holta Andreas Jonsson Qualifiers Piotr Protasiewicz Bjarne Pedersen Bo Brhel Ales Dryml Jesper Jensen Kaj Laukkanen. That Leaves out Lukas Dryml Mikael Max Tomasz Bajerski Lee Richardson Hans Andersen Mark Loram Todd Wiltshire - Retiring Peter Karlsson Jason Lyons Kris Cegielski - Injured Ronni Pedersen That qualified 16 works out like this. DEN - 3 AUS - 3 POL - 2 CZE - 2 SWE - 2 FIN - 1 GBR - 1 NOR - 1 USA - 1 The fact that Denmark has 3 qualifiers may force Hans Andersen out. Loram & Nicholls should probably get seeded as Britain only has Scott, but Cardiff does not rely on fans supportting the Brits as say Poland does so both may not be neccassery business wise. As the biggest Speedway Nation I expect Poland to get two of these nominations. Most definatly Bajerski and Hampel, especially after Jarek showed what he could do in Bydgoszcz. I expect Sweden to gain another rider, especially with two GP's there this season. I expect that they will get one place which will be a battle of the brothers, however neither have shown their true form in the GP's this year but I don't really see anybody in Sweden who is ready for the GP's yet (Plenty ready in a few years tho). The next place is most definatly going to go to Lukas Dryml. Despite there being 2 qualified Czech's already. As for the final place, who knows! My 6 Lee Richardson Mikael Max Tomasz Bajerski Lukas Dryml Jarek Hampel ??????? Last place between Hans Andersen Mark Loram Peter Karlsson Tomas Topinka Matej Zagar Billy Janniro Matze Schultz (German Champion) Remember, this is my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Very intelligent and well put case you've made there Tom. And I think I have to agree with you, particularly on Andersen, Max, Dryml. In selecting the six, it must be a case of weighing up both who merits it and who is most marketable. I just hope the latter factor doesn't mean the series carries a untested German at the expense of someone like Mark Loram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Very intelligent and well put case you've made there Tom. And I think I have to agree with you, particularly on Andersen, Max, Dryml. In selecting the six, it must be a case of weighing up both who merits it and who is most marketable. I just hope the latter factor doesn't mean the series carries a untested German at the expense of someone like Mark Loram. My view is that if the German GP is in Berlin then a German rider shouldn't be needed as a large number of Poles could easily travel there. I also think that next season, riders shouldn't need to ride in both the qualifying and GP series. Instead, a GP challenge should be run with - 12 Non-Qualifying GP riders Next 4 From GP Qualifying meeting World Under 21's 1st and 2nd Top 6 Wildcards/Reserve riders from the GP series. That would make a meeting like this, this year line-up as Lukas Dryml Piotr Protasiewicz Mikael Max Tomasz Bajerski Lee Richardson Hans Andersen Bjarne Pedersen Mark Loram Todd Wiltshire Bo Brhel Jason Lyons Kris Cegielski ---- Joonas Kylmakorpi Simon Stead Rafel Dobrucki Billy Janniro ---- Jarek Hampel Rafel Szomberski ---- Peter Karlsson Ronni Pedersen Tomas Topinka David Howe Peter Ljung Roman Povazhny Then the next riders in qualifiyng final coming in to replace those who are injured/retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 World Under 21's 1st and 2nd Jarek Hampel Rafel Szomberski Did i imagine it being our own Chris Harris that got 2nd in the Under 21s???? :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 World Under 21's 1st and 2nd Jarek Hampel Rafel Szomberski Did i imagine it being our own Chris Harris that got 2nd in the Under 21s???? :? Ooops! Sorry, that should be Bomber not Szomberski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo_1515 Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 These are my six: * Mark Loram (would have finished higher but injured) * Lee Richardson (put in some decent performance - deserves another chance like Nicholls last year and look at him now) * Lukas Dryml (would have been up there challenging IMO but injured - definitely deserves a place) * Tomas Bajerski (proved himself this year - deserves another go) * Hans Andersen (He's young and has had injuries as well) * Billy Janniro (he could cope and think he could prove to be interesting) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oh no ur shoes! Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 I want Billy J to get a wild card! They need to have a yank in the GP to balance it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 As ever it will be interesting to see which way Benfield go with their selections. In the 1st year of picking 6 seeds they looked to increase the number of Poles (Pepe, Seb and cegielski?) an extra Swede (Jonsson) and a Norwegian and Slovenian (Rune and Ferjan). This was at the expense of Screeny who had been injured most of the season. Last year I think they plumped for the next 6 in the standings. My guess would be Lukas, Lee, Max for definite with either Hampel or Bajerski (possibly both) and hopefully Loramski getting a spot in front of Hans Andersen. Think Mark as a recent World Champ deserves a slot given that he has been injured most of this year, but am a bit worried that they may not see fit to seed 2 Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 I want Billy J to get a wild card!They need to have a yank in the GP to balance it out! Sorry "Oh no etc" be really surprised if John Poshbloke lets an American in after pulling out the World Cup. Mark Loram and Lee Richardson are my hopes for the Wild Cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Cant see any new guys getting in to be honest - Peter Karlsson will be the loser out of the usual 2003 GP guys. It will Be Lee Richardson Lukas Dryml Hans Andersen Mark Loram Michael Max Thomas Bajerski If any are in danger then it is Max and Loram - I think these six and the 6 qualifiers will be in dire trouble if they dont qualify next year. Perhaps it would be a better idea to have 4 qualifiers for a 4 round mini grand prix with the top 6 qualifying - I dont see the point of a sudden death final choosing qualifiers for a multi round final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osn Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 the wild cards must be: L. Dryml average for 5 GP 11.6 point H. Andersen average for 6 GP 6.85 point L. Richardson average for 7 GP 6.42 point M. Max average for for 9 GP 5.77 T. Bajerski average for 9 GP 5.66 point M. Loram average for 6 GP 5.33 point if Cegielski will be fit his average is 7.5 for 2 GP, he must in instead of Loram. Thats just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 the wild cards must be: L. Dryml average for 5 GP 11.6 point H. Andersen average for 6 GP 6.85 point L. Richardson average for 7 GP 6.42 point M. Max average for for 9 GP 5.77 T. Bajerski average for 9 GP 5.66 point M. Loram average for 6 GP 5.33 point if Cegielski will be fit his average is 7.5 for 2 GP, he must in instead of Loram. I think you are spot on and I really feel for the guy who has to make the decision as, how do you get rid of the most exciting rider in top class speedway (Loram) because he had an injury plagued season. I can't see Cegielski making it in time though - it all depends how honest he is about it and how soon for Loram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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