norbold Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Harringay 1 Jeff Lloyd Thanks for the confirmation, Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkox Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 rayleigh (6) 70-1 nigel rackett Sorry Tracy - 70-1 not NR. - or lets say not his bike or face mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Oh ye of little faith. You have funds. Cheers, Jim. I was never worried! I guessed the Brummie was Peter Craven, but the racejacket put doubts in my mind, and I'm glad that you've cleared that up. Guest riders, eh. Looks like they've been part and parcel of the sport for donkey's years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Ive enlisted the help of Poole press officer,Gordon Day.He has come up with the following. Poole 1- Liverpool rider Norman Murray Poole 3- The racejacket has white stripes on either sides which puts it at 1961 and the rider is Gordon Bailey ( he often wore a white jersey like Ivor Brown, I think he came over from the Channel Islands ) Poole 4- The two riders leaning on the safety fence are Cliff Newton ( left ) and John Pitman ( right ) who rode for Vic Gooden’s juniors. It could even have been taken at Poole. The year would be 1958, the only year that Cliff rode for Poole. Excellent research, Bob. How can you tell tell the difference between Poole and Liverpool's jacket? On the subject of colours, can someone please confirm the main background colour of the old Odsal Tudors body colour (obviously the Yorkshire rose was white!). We have some old Tudors pics to upload to the site but I need to get their racejacket drawn up first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Blanchard Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Cheers, Jim. I was never worried! I guessed the Brummie was Peter Craven, but the racejacket put doubts in my mind, and I'm glad that you've cleared that up. Guest riders, eh. Looks like they've been part and parcel of the sport for donkey's years. I think the whole Birmingham team in 1960 were 'guests'. They returned after packing up in 1957. Rather like New Cross did in 1959 with a limited number of meetings and using what riders that were available. Norman or one of the Brummie lads could no doubt give the full details in case I have not got it 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I think the whole Birmingham team in 1960 were 'guests'. They returned after packing up in 1957. Rather like New Cross did in 1959 with a limited number of meetings and using what riders that were available. Norman or one of the Brummie lads could no doubt give the full details in case I have not got it 100% correct. Yes, you're right, Jim. Birmingham didn't have a team of their own in 1960 they just used guest riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Excellent research, Bob. How can you tell tell the difference between Poole and Liverpool's jacket? Tony, its about the size and shape of the skull and XBones. Poole have a small pear drop shaped skull,and wider spread of the bones. See here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.bayliss1/pirates2.htm Liverpool have a larger skull,(similar to a monkey nut in its shell),and the bones are not so wide spread. See here: http://www.defunctspeedway.co.uk/Liverpool.htm Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Tony, its about the size and shape of the skull and XBones. Poole have a small pear drop shaped skull,and wider spread of the bones. See here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.bayliss1/pirates2.htm Liverpool have a larger skull,(similar to a monkey nut in its shell),and the bones are not so wide spread. See here: http://www.defunctspeedway.co.uk/Liverpool.htm Hope that helps. Cheers for the clarification. Did Liverpool also ride in blue and white jackets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Why was the little figure looking over the wall called a "chad"?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK Rides Again Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Why was the little figure looking over the wall called a "chad"?????? Nobody is absolutely certain, but it's thought to be attributed to a cartoonist called George Chatterton (also known as 'Chat') and first appeared here during the war with the slogan 'Wot no..........' depending on what the shortage was at the time (the first one is thought to be 'Wot no eggs'). The best bit is, he appears all over the World with different names; where you are, he's known as Herbie, but South of the Canadian border, and most famously, he's called Kilroy. That all started with the popular grafitto 'Kilroy was here' and at some point during the war, it's thought that the Americans over here picked up on Chad, and combined it with Kilroy, so now he's everywhere, including, apparently, on the WWII Memorial at the Whitehouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Cheers for the clarification. Did Liverpool also ride in blue and white jackets? No. Liverpool were Red and White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Blanchard Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) I'll give it another go then Tony: Poland 1: Florian Kepala left and Mieczyslaw Polukard right. Coventry 6: Tony Lomas and Martin Ashby. Cradley Heath 5: Roy Trigg Southhampton 3 v. Sweden: Gote Nordin & Dick Bradley. Unknown 14. (This a pure guess) Bryan Elliott?? Unknown v. Oxford 68-1 Tony Lomas (not sure about the Oxford rider tho) Unknown 13: Gote Nordin. Leicester 2: Ken McKinley Swindon 2: Ian Williams left & Tadeuz Teodorowicz right. Russia 1: Valerie Klementiev Russia 4 & 5 Boris Samorodov We will be adding some of the older clubs' racejackets - (eg, New Cross, Harringay, Norwich, Southampton, etc) to the club section fairly soonish, so that pics of riders from those defuct tracks can be showcased. That would be great Tony. Some New Cross ones would not go amiss and especially from the 1959 season when Peter Craven was a guest ( I would buy them also) for them as did many other riders that year, and PC also won the Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy that year. I know Alf took a lot there cos I saw him every week. Also, I like the Thursday practise shots from Wembley around 1959/63 as we have already seen. Edited January 16, 2009 by Jim Blanchard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterdaysman Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Sorry Jim but I think unknown v Oxford is Rick France & Colin (Joe) Gooddy, and Leicester 2: Jack Geran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Looking at him I just can't believe that Tony Mac isn't old enough to know all these riders he's asking about! Mind you I did warn him that supporting West Ham (football NOT speedway!) would age him prematurely!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Confirmations we've received via private emails include: World Team Cup unknowns: Heat 1 from Vienna - Bjorn Knutson leading Dick Fisher and Antonin Kasper. Wolves (3) Riders' Championship @ Wolves, August 16, 1963 - 1st Pete Jarman, 2nd Tommy Sweetman, 3rd Howard Cole (aka Bodie). Unknown WTC round: British semi-final at Southampton, July 24, 1962 - heat 1: Craven leading Briggo, Moore & Bob Andrews. Sunderland (1) is John Lynch. The Briggo/Ronnie Moore gate shot was at the 1959 Wembley World Final practice. Halifax (2) is John Titman. There is some debate about Cradley (5). Some say Roy Trigg (his distinctive handlebars have been mentioned), but Ian Silk has also been put forward. Maybe he borrowed Triggy's bike? Think the pic was taken at Reading. Any further thoughts? Cradley Heath (2) is Andrew Bearne (as confirned by his daughter Lucy!). Edited January 16, 2009 by tmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Good news indeed TMC that you are gradually getting the info you require and providing many memories for lots on this forum at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Blanchard Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Looking at him I just can't believe that Tony Mac isn't old enough to know all these riders he's asking about! Mind you I did warn him that supporting West Ham (football NOT speedway!) would age him prematurely!!! Not sure your going to get much response with a joke or two from young Tony, Bryn. Its difficult enough to get any response when you place an order with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz W Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Cradley (8) 76-1 - I'm pretty sure that it's Steve Bastable as I have a photo of him from the following year in the same leathers which are red and yellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'll give it another go then Tony: Poland 1: Florian Kepala left and Mieczyslaw Polukard right. Sorry Jim, I am 100% sure that it is Henryk Zyto is on the right. You could well be right about Kapala, though. I wasn't sure whether that was Polukard or Kapala... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Newcastle 3. Brian Craven is with a junior called Derek Grieves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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