Ghostwalker Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) well Jason isnt that old, he's only 2 years older then Nicki but still 4 years younger then Adams, Gollob and 5 years younger then Greg so i think Jason has a few more years to contend for the title. Edited November 11, 2008 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Hey Widcat , Surely JC should be in @ #2 or is that wishful thinking , I`ve taken it as Race Numbers for 09 Season , But maybe that is your end of 09 Results ??? Lucky PS - Ginge won`t win it :-( Yes, sorry- that is my prediction for end of season results. . . Crumpy winning is not wishful thinking- I just think it may be the case although Nicki will of course be hard to beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wimbledonwomble Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Jason Crump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I do remember thinking either George Hack or Makael Starostin would win in LA in 1982. If not one of them then the ageing Peter Collins was a likely winner. Maybe it would be Verner or Kai Niemi, Maybe even Edward Jancarz or Jiri Stancl. Yes World Finals were certainly very competitive in them days. Course that wasn't just a rogue year, lets go back to 1976, I thought PC would have his work cut out by the likes of the Gordeev brothers, or even Jerzy Rembas or Marek Cieslak, Jiri Stancl was another in with a big chance. It was hard to rule anyone out in those days wasn't it. Ales Dryml, Jiri Stancl, Egon Müller,Zenon Plech, Petr Ondrasik were all likely winners in 1980 The list just goes on and on. Jeff, interesting you mention Jerzy Rembas, who was only 2 points away from being World Champion in 1978, therefore completely negating the point of your post. And for mentioning Egon Muller, I assume you have a complete mental block as regards to 1983, or 1979 for that matter, when Zenon Plech finished second. I'll say it again - ANYONE out of the 16 riders could win in a World Final. Rank outsiders DID win sometimes. Look at a very young Peter Craven in 1955, Freddie Williams in 1950 and Jerzy Szczakiel in 1973 as prime examples. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niclas Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 sorry to say but I cant see anyone else than Nicki win the SGP 09. This season he just finished outside top-3 twice. That is what makes Nicki so good. He very rarely fails and 2009 will be the same. BOth Jason, Greg, Leigh, Hans, AJ and Adams have the same toplevel as Nicki but none of them are able to keep it to that level over time as Nicki is. But I would be more than happy if Greg, Gollob or Adams wins the title but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) It was in response to Rob Peasley's ridiculous statement about any one of 16 being capable of winning a world final when the truth is nothing like that Yes it was possible for all 16 to win (well with the exception of Henny Kroeze in 1987 ). Jerzy Szczakiel scored a great big fat blob in the 1971 final. He went into the 1973 World Final as the fifth favourite Pole (out of 5) and probably the 15/16th favourite of the whole field. And he won. Jerzy Rembas was the rank outsider in 1978 and got into a run-off for third place. A young Tony Rickardsson only qualified in 1991 due to the misfortune of other riders getting injured, yet finished second. Peter Craven had only just avoided finishing 16th in 1954, but won in 1955. Everyone thought Jack Young had done a grand job in qualifying in 1951 as a second division rider, but no-one outside of Edinburgh would have tipped him to win it. He did. Viktor Kutnetsov in looked bloody fast in 1986 and ended up with double figures. Les Collins only got through to one World Final. Every thought his Inter-Continental win in 1982 was a fluke, second place in the World Final showed it wasn't. The unfancied Jack Biggs came so close to winning in 1951. He never came remotely close again. How many more examples do you want? All the best Rob Edited November 11, 2008 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 next year will be between Nicki & Hans without a doubt , then the usual riders behind them,Crump,Gollob,Hancock,Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 On the Rostrum: Pedersen, Crump, Andersen In the Top 8: Jonsson, Adams, Gollob, Hancock, Holta Supporting Cast: Nicholls, Sajfutdinov, Bjerre, Lindgren, Ulamek, Harris, Walasek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) Ever the optimist Just a bit But seriously: Gollob - hope he hasn't said his last word yet May do the rostrum again or may finish around the 6th place. But got a feeling this first version is more likely to happen. There has been a visible progress in his GP rides for recent two years and may it continue! All he needs is more consistence (no rubbish performances like at Cardiff this yr). Emil - I believe he can finish in top 8. His balance on a bike, the way he finds paths and catches speed are awesome. Sometimes like TG at his best... Am only a bit worried he may kill himself a couple of times at such superb tracks like Gothenburgh or Cardiff. AJ - the guy seems to have stopped in his progress at some point but maybe this year he'll finally make that step ahead (top 3 ?). Unknown for me but not lower than top 8, for sure. Anyway, these are the 3 ones I'll be cheering for, in the order as above, of course. ( Holta - Polish only in SWC for me , Walasek & Ulamek - both probably as hopeless as KK this year but will be happy when proven wrong in this case ...) Edited November 11, 2008 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Yes it was possible for all 16 to win (well with the exception of Henny Kroeze in 1987 ). All the best Rob Troy Butler and Olli Tyrvainen anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Same top 3....Nicki, Jason, TG... I think Emil will find the GP's extremely hard. One of AJ and Hans to make the break through and to catch Leigh Adams and Greg Hancock up Freddie, Nicholls, Rune and Bomber to fight for the 8th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szalas85 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 1. Tomasz Gollob 2. Nicki Pedersen 3. Jason Crump 4. Leigh Adams 5. Andreas Jonsson 6. Greg Hancock 7. Grzegorz Walasek 8. Scott Nicholls 9. Rune Holta 10. Seba Ułamek 11. Chris Harris 12. Freddie Lindgren 13 Hans Andersen 14 Kenneth Bjerre 15 Emil Sajfutdinov It for you strange types, but there is possible- It can be champion of world Gollob. Surely it will be prepared for season excellently! Your opinions: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 1. Nicki Then the rest in some kind of order. Not bothered what order really, though it would be nice to see grump in 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Troy Butler and Olli Tyrvainen anyone?? Yes, but that was great for Oxford and whoever-Tyrvainen-rode-for fans. I seem to remember, a young unknown Henka Gustafsson also qualified for the Final the next year and did pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 1. Nicki 2. Andersen 3. Crump 4. Jonsson 5. Hancock 6. Gollob 7. Adams 8. King Emil 9. Nicholls 10. Holta 11. Lindgren 12. Bjerre 13. Walasek 14. Harris 15. Ulamek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff. Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Troy Butler and Olli Tyrvainen anyone?? There have been dozens and dozens over the years of a similar standard in world finals. Strangely Rob seems to think that because the odd one of these managed a reasonable performance on the night, one even won with a million to one chance performance, that this justifies the old system, personnally I think it only adds weight to the reasons for ditching a tired, failing system. Just think, to go with Szcackiel in 1973 we could nearly have had Rembas in 1978, Handberg in 1992 or even Viktor Kutnetsov in 1986, what a worthy bunch to describe as world champions. The sooner the GP is all invitation, the better. Do away with the no hopers the qualification systen constantly throws up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 The sooner the GP is all invitation, the better. Do away with the no hopers the qualification systen constantly throws up Perhaps the uncertainty of the World Final system made things more interesting? I certainly had far more interest than I do in the current SGP. And as for the invitation system producing a better line-up, well perhaps, but it's predictable and at the moment duller-than-dull. Even one of the major sponsors seems to think so, and the whole ageing line-up desperately needs some new blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff. Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Perhaps the uncertainty of the World Final system made things more interesting? I certainly had far more interest than I do in the current SGP. And as for the invitation system producing a better line-up, well perhaps, but it's predictable and at the moment duller-than-dull. Even one of the major sponsors seems to think so, and the whole ageing line-up desperately needs some new blood. Well there is merit in that, but who are the "new blood" riders you would like to see. Sadly speedway is at such a low ebb that there is simply no one better to replace the "ageing line-up" The 12 qualified and seeded riders are probably the best 12 around at the moment, (Chris Harris?) the qualifiers are a bit ropey but those aside who would you like to see in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Troy Butler and Olli Tyrvainen anyone?? Yet both were probably similar standard riders to Jerzy Szczakiel who did win. On the right day on the right track, ANYBODY could win the World Final. For instance, Troy Butler was awesome around the old Coventry circuit (i.e before the track alterations in 1998). On ocassions when track conditions suited him, he outscored Hans Nielsen around there. Had the 1989 World Final been held at Coventry on a day when track conditions were right, Troy Butler could have been World Champion. And that was the beauty of the World Final - most the time one of favourites still won (for instance, Gundersen & Nielsen won all the finals between 1984 & 1989), but you never knew quite waht was going to happen and whether you could end up with another Szczakiel as champion. It had unpredictability. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Handberg in 1992 I see you're even coming up with examples yourself now. Yes, who would have ever thought that Gert Handberg would have finished third in the 1992 World Final. It's yet further proof that any of the 16 riders in a World Final could win ahd why these meetings were so entertaining. And, of course, Kai Niemi came pretty close in 1985 as well - he was joint leader after four rides apiece. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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