speedy den boy Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Is there any reason why D Watt didnt get in.Hes just the kind of rider that deserves a chance and he will go for it as well that for sure.Also i beleive he missed his flight which allowed KB in.At least he tried to qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Is there any reason why D Watt didnt get in. Yes, it's simple - there's no Gp in Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Cowboy Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 As we are obviously going to have Chris Harris in the GP series I only wish that he would get rid of his insulting nickname. I don't know if he and his many fans realise it, but he has adpoted the name of a very dubious hero. Arthur "Bomber" Harris known also as "Butcher" Harris within RAF circles could easily have been tried as a war criminal but for the odd fact that the winning side doesn't seem to have any. He systematically targetted German working class residential areas for mass bombing, developing fire storms that sucked the very oxygen out of peoples' lungs. He probably was responsible for killing as many people as Himler or Stalin. Come on Chris, ditch it. Â Oh for god's sake, not this one again . Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Why not? It's still relevant and it's still insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansfan Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Neither of these two are good enough for the GP series, and their appearances in it should be restricted to Cardiff as wild cards. Imo. It's ridiculous that a rider like Holder is ignored to make way for these serial failures. I totally agree!!!! My Husbands nickname for Nicholls is Tim Henman THE NEARLY MAN!!!! He is a pile of rubbishE (imo) and Harris isn't much better!!  Holder should be in the GP's I just wonder if he thinks he is not quite ready, would hate 'the circus' to spoil him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 I totally agree!!!! My Husbands nickname for Nicholls is Tim Henman THE NEARLY MAN!!!! He is a pile of rubbishE (imo) and How is finishing 9th in the World a pile of what you have called him???? What are the other 3 or 500 riders below him then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwayondisc Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 You know what the organisers should do? In order to decide who is best they should have some kind of race.   Spot On.  Just why did they scrap the GP Challenge, where the lower scorers in the GP met with the qualifiers from that year's round ... it seems to make more sense.  You could still have a couple of BSI wildcards as well.  Why did they shift to a Grand Final where the qualifiers don't meet those GP flops?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yes, true to say that many speedway fans are very fickle - they would sooner cheer a foreign rider who happens to ride for their team than a Brit who doesn't. Shame that as a nation we don't inspire the sort of loyal following we deserve to get our country back on track, but then we don't get the support from the BSPA either. What a load of poppycock. What right does anyone else have to tell me who to support in the Speedway Grand Prix, or anything else for that matter? Â Most of the criticism this weekend has been over the selection of Harris, who quite clearly doesn't deserve his spot in the series for any other reason than his birthplace. Cardiff '07 apart, he spends most GPs struggling to qualify for the business end of the meeting because his gating is so poor, and top quality riders are far more difficult to pass than those he storms past in the league. This compounded by the slick surfaces that the GPs are often raced on. Â Nicholls is a different case, and you'd do well to argue that he isn't in the Top 15 after missing out by a whisker on the Top 8 this summer and generally being far more competitive throughout the series. Â Either way, I fully defend my right to support who I like next summer, and neither of the Brits will rank particularly highly on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Is there any reason why D Watt didnt get in.Hes just the kind of rider that deserves a chance and he will go for it as well that for sure.Also i beleive he missed his flight which allowed KB in.At least he tried to qualify   Best post ive read on here for a long time made me lol  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 You know what the organisers should do? In order to decide who is best they should have some kind of race.  Or, and here's another novel idea, they could have some kind of world championship...!!!!  As long as people support the fundamentally flawed idea of picking riders rather than have them qualify then they'll be controversy like this. Hans Andersen was left out the other year...: if he'd have been in it there's ample evidence to show he may well have won the title that year. He'll perhaps never have a better year and therefore a better chance..  Are people going to change their minds about the daft selection process now then..?? Coz if not, can't really see how you can then quibble over the random decisions made in an inherently random system..!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 So you are saying that, on this discussion forum, we are only allowed to post favourable comments about these two men? ...........Within the law of the land and the rules and guidelines of the forum I will continue to express myself, with all due courtesy, on any subject raised for discussion. Spot on Ron. Me old Ma's favourite saying "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Freedom of speech is one of our rights as a nation. Â Â Fickle? I would rather cheer on a foreign rider who DOESN'T ride for my team than for a miserable loser who just happens to have been born in the same country as me. I pay my money and take my pick, and that may vary from Gp to Gp. Crikey I am even cheering for Hans these days, at least he's entertaining. I would walk over hot coals to watch Ceggy yet if Nicholls was riding in my back garden, I would draw the curtains. I don't want anyone telling me to be patriotic and back the Brits, I've back britain for 50 years and all I've every been by this country is shafted. Â I'm not sure I agree with every comment you've made Pugwash, but I can't argue with the sentiment behind them. I won't be dictated to as to who I have to cheer for, who I have to support. Â What a load of poppycock. What right does anyone else have to tell me who to support in the Speedway Grand Prix, or anything else for that matter? Â Most of the criticism this weekend has been over the selection of Harris, who quite clearly doesn't deserve his spot in the series for any other reason than his birthplace. Cardiff '07 apart, he spends most GPs struggling to qualify for the business end of the meeting because his gating is so poor, and top quality riders are far more difficult to pass than those he storms past in the league. This compounded by the slick surfaces that the GPs are often raced on. Â Nicholls is a different case, and you'd do well to argue that he isn't in the Top 15 after missing out by a whisker on the Top 8 this summer and generally being far more competitive throughout the series. Â Either way, I fully defend my right to support who I like next summer, and neither of the Brits will rank particularly highly on the list. Once again I find myself agreeing with you Seb. As well as freedom of speech, isn't freedom of choice a part of what makes this nation? If I have the freedom to vote for whoever I want to in the elections, then I have the freedom to choose who I damn well want to support in the GPs. So there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I totally agree!!!! My Husbands nickname for Nicholls is Tim Henman THE NEARLY MAN!!!! He is a pile of rubbishE (imo) and Harris isn't much better!! Holder should be in the GP's I just wonder if he thinks he is not quite ready, would hate 'the circus' to spoil him   Clown, 9th in the world makes him a POS does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 In my opinion Nicholls probably deserves another chance but not Bomber who was not at the races for many of the GP's last season. Â Best of luck to both riders next year, hopefully Scott can get that elusive GP win in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 All of us have the right to support whom we like in any sport. Our opinions are not all the same and it would be a dull world and forum if they were. My own opinion is that I will support the Brits whoever is riding in the GP. I will also support England over Denmark, Australia, Germany or whoever else they may play in Football. I will support England in the cricket, I will support Andy Murray and Lewis Hamilton in their respective sports. I am British and would like to see the Brits do well. My favourite F1 driver used to be Michael Schumacher. I was always torn when him and Damon Hill were tussling, so I was sort of glad if either won, although given the choice it would be the brit first and the german second. Most of all I like to see passion and a real trier. Nicholls is that man for me. Personally I feel that the GP series would be a dull place without him. My opinion only. With regard to Bomber, yes I was a little surprised with his inclusion, but personally I feel he will get his act together next year and hopefully surprise a few people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Just look at his results over all the years he has been in the gp. There terrible and he should of been thrown out this year and then maybe his head might have got slightly smaller. The bloke is a bully on the track and in the pits, team gb has no team spiret as none of the other english riders like him. Look at cov and ippo when chris and hans were better than him, yep he got the hump and was nasty. He has fantastic ability on a bike but he will never do well in the gp because of the person he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) Just look at his results over all the years he has been in the gp. There terrible and he should of been thrown out this year and then maybe his head might have got slightly smaller. The bloke is a bully on the track and in the pits, team gb has no team spiret as none of the other english riders like him. what you wrote i think he is the complete opp to what you said,he is toooo laid back in the pits from what ive seen first hand.He doesnt focus enough and will always do interviews sign pics etc.As for a bully on the track i havnt a clue what you are on about.Every time ive seen him hes always involved with his team and is def a team player. Edited November 11, 2008 by speedy den boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 and will always do interviewers  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Know Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Like it think she did as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Nicholls is by far the best rider we have at present , but is a bit of an enigma . There are times when he looks more than capable of living with the likes Nicki Pedersen and Jason Crump , but unfortunately he can't sustain it and reverts back to mediocrity all too often . Harris , apart from that freak night at Cardiff , has looked hopelessly out of his depth in GP's and how he has obtained a wildcard for next year is beyond me . I would like to see both of them do well , but i'm afraid you can only see them languishing down in about 10th and 11th places or thereabouts once again . If you look at scotts average it is very poor. If you take his results from the last 6 years he average is 9.3 so never in top 8. Also his best overall is 7th in 2003, so not much to shout about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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