Bagpuss Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think Holder may have shot himself in the foot by going public that he isn't ready for the GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think Holder may have shot himself in the foot by going public that he isn't ready for the GP series. Not really, as if he wanted to be in it next year he wouldn't have said that. Bomber being in is a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 that really is quite embarrasing for IMG/BSI, the GP series and the British speedway there is no way Bomber should have been allowed in...... NKI, Hampel, Holder and most likely a handful of other guys should have got in before him....... and now IMG really have left themselves open to criticism...... at least there was the excuse that Hans had criticised the series when they left him out............. what can the excuse possibly be this time? I'm all for IMG using the wildcards to even up quotas of riders from nations...... but not with square blocks in round holes.......... ie scott and freddie were a round block in a round hole as they finished 9th and 10th Sadly once again this results in British speedway not recognising the drastic issues with the quality coming through because of their policies of supporting overseas youngsters in our grass roots leagues........ what problem? there is no problem because scott and bomber are in the gp's and whats the story with Noddy? I just dont believe that he turned down the opportunity for the first season ever I hope that Scott and Bomber finish badly off the pace if they are not going to be on top 8 pace as it will force IMG into leaving them out and consequently the BSPA to do something about the situation.... and if they didnt they would just heap more embarrasment on themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 maybe it goes a bit deeper,zagar may have said he doesnt want to be included,maybe there is only 1 brit and thats why nki didnt get in but like most im as baffled as to why harris gets in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) Nicholls was #9 in the scorecards in 2008 so fair enough , although many will suggest he has had a number of chances already to stake his claim. Harris had a poor season on the SGP season, to be honest he not pull up any trees in a deleted Elite League. I like bomber and his style of racing ,I just dont think his style of racing is suited to racing on Ole Olsen created racetracks. Form an orderly queue and dont get off the white line ..... Seen more dirt in a Christian Orthodox Nunnery. The power of the British SGP Edited November 7, 2008 by Hackett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think you will have to live a long time spook,before IMG/BSI will be embarrased by these decisions. They can call off a GP and reschedule it for another venue another country without even consulting the riders.I don't see them being in the least embarrased by including two Brits when it is (maybe contractually a must) a financial rather than results led decision.In the end who is not going to turn up just because Bomber is in and Zagar or Puk isn't?Not many and that will most definitelly be negated by tv contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I have to agree with others - very surprised that Harris is back in. The other three I can agree with (although I think Nicholls can count himself very lucky, and surely this must be the last time he gets a Get Out of Jail card for this series if it's to retain any credibility) but Bomber's inclusion just seems to smack of keeping the British fans happy. I'd have picked PUK over him to be honest. Wonder if he was first choice or whether the others mentioned (Holder/Zagar etc) turned down the opportunity to take part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I too would have rather Puk was in.He was far better this year than his previous GP season.And would have surely improved yet again.Sadly being danish goes against him.Like Mads said at Vojens recently..."It would be better if i was Hungarian"(i think it was Hungarian) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'd agree Iris, altough BSI don't seem to have any problem with the number of Poles taking part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think you will have to live a long time spook,before IMG/BSI will be embarrased by these decisions. They can call off a GP and reschedule it for another venue another country without even consulting the riders.I don't see them being in the least embarrased by including two Brits when it is (maybe contractually a must) a financial rather than results led decision.In the end who is not going to turn up just because Bomber is in and Zagar or Puk isn't?Not many and that will most definitelly be negated by tv contracts I know what you are saying Iris and the short term damage wont be much........ however the long term damage is a different matter I believe that British speedway has got itself in such a state partially because of all the nonsense short term, back scratching, self serving decisions............... it has had such a history of this both distant and recent that even the most hardcore fan can no longer have full respect for the way it is run..... so what has that meant for the 'floating' fans? So they got away with not including Hans a few years ago but they wont get away with this one and have managed to undo some of their hard work over the years by undermining the fact that it is speedways pinnacle ...... this is after all what replaced the world final The danger for me is if they are doing this what else will they feel they can do in the future? What have they already been doing that we dont know about or have suspected? ............. and financial affairs should be able to be massaged by those round blocks in round holes but the square blocks shouldnt even come into it As much as I like Bomber he paid the penalty for drastically reducing his costs from 07 to 08....... and as hacket points out just like with Loramski...Olsen will always be his Kryptonite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'd agree Iris, altough BSI don't seem to have any problem with the number of Poles taking part! but they do dont they? The Poles have 4 in the competition and that meant no other pole would have got in ........ Hampel had about as much chance of being offered a wild card as Ben Powell lets remind ourselves of positions 9-14: 8. Scott Nicholls (GB) 77 15. Fredrik Lindgren (Swe) 73 11. Bjarne Pedersen (Den) 69 12. Niels Kristian Iversen (Den) 59 9. Chris Harris (GB) 58 14. Krzyzstof Kasprzak (Pol) 57 so on the basis of what has just happened Kasprzak should have been a consideration as well...... but more telling is that Bjarne and Niels finished above bomber ............. so Bjarne made his statement about dropping out although thereafter kelvin and co disputed that................ NKI most certainly wanted to be in it.... the danes have 3 riders in already so he would have fitted based on past WC pick behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Sorry Spooks - I meant with 4 Poles (if you include Holta as pseudo-Pole that is) in 2009, you'd have thought 4 Danes wouldn't be a problem. This decision has to be purely based on politics - nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berniep Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'm a Bees fan but I think putting Bomber back in after his sub-par perfromances this year is a horrible decision. I can't think of one GP where he was even on the pace. Not sure if Chris Holder wanted to go in the GP or not but he should have definitely gotten the nod ahead of Bomber. A year on the bench working hard to get his place back would have been way better for Bomber's career development rather than just letting him back in because of his nationality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Not sure the inclusion of Harris is a good decision but hardly surprised. The other 3 are fair enough to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I love Bomber to pieces but why?! I seriously looking forward to watching Harris fully commited and motivated to get back into the GP's and the Bees probably getting the best out of him. As it is now, I can only see a similar season from him this season, but I seriously hope I'm wrong. Gutted Zagar isn't in there but how can I complain at my favourite rider being back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Hampel had about as much chance of being offered a wild card as Ben Powell Ben certainly would've brought a new dimension to the expression, "wild card"!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) What a JOKE, harris,nicholls,walesek,Lindgren,Ulamek,Bjerre will do nothing in the gp`s i cant stop laughing its so funny Cant see any of them riders getting close to Nicki,Jason,Leigh,Greg and tomasz Its going to be two races in one heat The riders who should have got the wild cards should have been............ Holder,Sajfutdinov,B Pedersen,Hampel The gp`s are a joke Edited November 7, 2008 by Max the rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) I think it's shocking that Jarek Hampel is not in the GP next year. One of the arguments from the pro-GP lobby is that it contains all the best riders in the world, whereas under the old system, a few big names would be eliminated before the big day itself. However, Hampel is in my mind amonsgt the best 8 riders in the world (along with the riders who finished 1st to 7th this year). So next season the GP series is missing a key rider. Who is the better rider - Jarek Hampel or Chris Harris? If a poll was conducted, I'd wouldn't be surprised if 95% plus said Hampel. All the best Rob Edited November 7, 2008 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) Sorry Spooks - I meant with 4 Poles (if you include Holta as pseudo-Pole that is) in 2009, you'd have thought 4 Danes wouldn't be a problem. This decision has to be purely based on politics - nothing else. the difference is that those 4 Polish riders is qualified on their own merit, 2 by finishing top 8 and the other 2 by qualifying so its not BSI who decided that any of those 4 should be in. Edited November 7, 2008 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think it's shocking that Jarek Hampel is not in the GP next year. One of the arguments from the pro-GP lobby is that it contains all the best riders in the world, whereas under the old system, a few big names would be eliminated before the big day itself. However, Hampel is in my mind amonsgt the best 8 riders in the world (along with the riders who finished 1st to 7th this year). So next season the GP series is missing a key rider. Who is the better rider - Jarek Hampel or Chris Harris? If a poll was conducted, I'd wouldn't be surprised if 95% plus said Hampel. All the best Rob Hampel by a long way rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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