schumi Posted October 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 (edited) It's all ifs and buts. If Iversen wasn't injured he'd have qualified, if Sullivan had finished the night as he started at Zielona Gora, he'd be back in, if Holder hadn't had a nightmare qualifying round, if Watt had made it to his round instead of being stuck at the airport, if Hampel wasn't a Pole, etc... As for the Lindgren factor, I'd rather have Jonas Davidsson. Edited October 18, 2008 by schumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 You could well be right, nominations for Nicholls, Lindgren, Emil and Harris would leave us with... 3 Danes 4 Poles 2 Aussies 2 Swedes 2 Brits 1 American 1 Russian. Having said that I think it would be utterly unfair for Harris to get a nomination over any rider who finished ahead of him this season. And if Hancock retires? Who then? I seem to remember that at the beginning of the year both Harris and Nicholls stated that they wanted to be in the 2009 GP series on merit - hence they didn't go through the GP qualifier rounds. I think it would be interesting if their bluff was called and others were nominated in their stead. Does each country have a minimum/maximum requirement for riders in the GP? Tatum said that Holta probably wouldn't get the nod if he'd finished outside the top 8 because Poland already had 3 riders in the 2009 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Whilst as a Brit, it's obviously great to have representation in the GPS, I can't see that the'yd give two out of the four wildcard nominations to British riders. That smacks of just making the numbers up rather than having riders in there on merit or potential. But then when did speedway ever make the right decisions... For my money, that nominations should be as others have said - Nicholls, Lindgren, Sajfutdinov and Holder. We need something to liven it up a bit - the also rans are just churning around in a never ending cycle - Ulamek again, I ask you?! And the oldies need some new tigers around to make them work for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 We need something to liven it up a bit LOL, what u need is less bleeding GPs, too many make it dull "here we go again" type meetings! Perhaps if there were less of them then the youngsters would be able to afford/organise themselves to race in them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietbowers Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 LOL, what u need is less bleeding GPs, too many make it dull "here we go again" type meetings! Perhaps if there were less of them then the youngsters would be able to afford/organise themselves to race in them? For someone who does`nt like or approve of the GP`s,you don`t half post a lot of your thoughts I think you need to do more housework Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.hare Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 To be fair to Nicholls, he is a great fighter who made his best to entertain us. I have seen him more than once fighting like its a matter of life and death. His fighting spirit might not give a place among the top-8 but atleast it should give him a nomination for next season. If he hadnt been such a lousy starter he would have been top-8 but his head and his starts, that is his worst enemies. SInce the GP started its always been atleast two brits in the GP and even if BSI probably is pretty tired of giving the brits nominations, they realise the value of having two of them in the Grand Prix. Agree with everything said in this post. Scotty is much more entertaining than half the riders in the series whether he is a Brit or not. No way BSI would allow the series to have no Brits in. I wouldn't be surprised if Bomber got a nomination as well as Nicholls. After all, he might not have had a great year this year but he is still young and has shown in the past he can cut it at this level. Holder, Sajfutdinov (sic), Woffinden etc are all very exciting young riders but aren't finished articles by a long shot. Lindback, Lindgren, Zagar...all given nominations as young up-and-comers and didn't really set the world on fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Dixon Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 No, but here's a quote from Subedei tonight, which I'm sure he won't mind me posting: "The beggar is back." I'm sure he won't. You should have been banned with him, this post was expected from his fantasy girlfriend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schumi Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ah the first bite. You’ll have to do better than that to upset me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essaitch Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Holder, Sajfutdinov (sic), Woffinden etc are all very exciting young riders but aren't finished articles by a long shot. Lindback, Lindgren, Zagar...all given nominations as young up-and-comers and didn't really set the world on fire. Worse than thjat, the constant pressure of the GP's has almost finished the career of Lindback and Zagar. Don't want to finish Holder and Sajfutdinov off just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Whilst as a Brit, it's obviously great to have representation in the GPS, I can't see that the'yd give two out of the four wildcard nominations to British riders. That smacks of just making the numbers up rather than having riders in there on merit or potential. But then when did speedway ever make the right decisions... For my money, that nominations should be as others have said - Nicholls, Lindgren, Sajfutdinov and Holder. We need something to liven it up a bit - the also rans are just churning around in a never ending cycle - Ulamek again, I ask you?! And the oldies need some new tigers around to make them work for it. Totally agree with the issue of "making numbers up" rather than getting in on merit. I also agree with three out of the four nominations. But your comment about the also rans? Ulamek made his decision to go into the GP Challenge, and made a good job of it by qualifying. You can go on about the never ending cycle - why not go one further and include Nicholls while your'e at it? I'm pretty sure he's got into the GP a couple of times when he hasn't qualified but has been seeded in. At least Ulamek and Walasek qualified fair and square "on merit" I believe you called it) and will not now have to wait to see if the BSI (or whoever it is that decides these things) throws them a bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.I.G. Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I too cannot see BSI not nominating at least one British rider, but if we only have one representative rider it will be a long long while before we get any more, such is the sparecity of quality British riders. I don,t see the situation changing, too comfortable in the Premier league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I would put harris back in, leave scott out for a year and make him attempt to get in via the proper route. He may be the best brit but how many wildcards do you give him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 He may be the best brit but how many wildcards do you give him. Next you'll be calling him a beggar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I would put harris back in, leave scott out for a year and make him attempt to get in via the proper route. He may be the best brit but how many wildcards do you give him. Harris has been one of the big let-downs for me this year.Last year he really took the GPs by storm.Well some at least.This year he done very little of note.Sorry,but no way would i like to see him in another GP series at the moment.Scott does add something to the GP series which will be lacking from the likes of Walasek and Ulamek.I think it isn't a good move career-wise for Emil to be under too much pressure too young.But the series needs exciting riders.Who wants to pay good money to see Hancock,Adams,Ulamek and Walasek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Harris has been one of the big let-downs for me this year.Last year he really took the GPs by storm.Well some at least.This year he done very little of note.Sorry,but no way would i like to see him in another GP series at the moment.Scott does add something to the GP series which will be lacking from the likes of Walasek and Ulamek.I think it isn't a good move career-wise for Emil to be under too much pressure too young.But the series needs exciting riders.Who wants to pay good money to see Hancock,Adams,Ulamek and Walasek? Yes harris has been a let down this year but its only his 2nd year and he has won a g.p. Scott has and always had great backing and everthing to get to the top yet year after year he fails. Never a winner always the henman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I seem to remember that at the beginning of the year both Harris and Nicholls stated that they wanted to be in the 2009 GP series on merit - hence they didn't go through the GP qualifier rounds. I think it would be interesting if their bluff was called and others were nominated in their stead. Does each country have a minimum/maximum requirement for riders in the GP? Tatum said that Holta probably wouldn't get the nod if he'd finished outside the top 8 because Poland already had 3 riders in the 2009 series. Nothing written in stone about countries representations, but it was certainly mentioned in the Speedway Star that BSI/IMG require 2 Brits (hence Nicholls and Harris bothe getting nominated at the end of 2006). Given the failure again of a Brit to qualify by right, surely it is time to knock that representation down to 1, and given Harris and Nicholls (again) not trying the route of qualifying it would be justice if they were missed out for 2009. Unfortunately there is no other Brit who could be chosen. With regard to Holta, for the second year running he was in the position that if he failed to qualify by just one point he probably wouldn't have the luxury of a nomination to fall back on (unlike his main rivals). Which might explain why, for the second year running, he did qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) The GP is about the best riders in the world if you can name me the riders better than Nicholls to keep him out the GP I will be shocked. Edited October 19, 2008 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The GP series will always need a brit in it, otherwise thousands of true british fans will have nobody to cheer on in Cardiff, and the FIM know that. Therefore, as Scott is still the best brit out there, I fully expect him to get a pick. Harris on the other hand, has had his chance, and its time for another to take his place, and not neccessarily a brit either. Congratulations to the new World Champion, as much as it pains me to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The GP series will always need a brit in it, otherwise thousands of true british fans will have nobody to cheer on in Cardiff, and the FIM know that. Therefore, as Scott is still the best brit out there, I fully expect him to get a pick. Harris on the other hand, has had his chance, and its time for another to take his place, and not neccessarily a brit either. Congratulations to the new World Champion, as much as it pains me to say it. They will have a wildcard to cheer , presumably Scotty . Don't really get this " there must be a Brit in it " argument myself . If there isn't a Brit good enough then such is life . Why didn't Nicholls , and Harris for that matter , not give themself every chance by doing the qualifiers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M08 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I would put harris back in, leave scott out for a year and make him attempt to get in via the proper route. He may be the best brit but how many wildcards do you give him. So take the better rider out and leave the worse one in? Real speedway logic that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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