srbramble Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) They will have a wildcard to cheer , presumably Scotty . Don't really get this " there must be a Brit in it " argument myself . If there isn't a Brit good enough then such is life . Why didn't Nicholls , and Harris for that matter , not give themself every chance by doing the qualifiers ? I make my call based soley on financial purposes. I agree that there is a need to introduce new blood, as there is nobody capable of winning apart from maybe 5 riders, and the also rans this season, have done zip to enhance the series. Qualifying needs to be changed in order for the GPs not to stagnate by having the same riders in it. Personally, I really don't care if Scott, or any other brit is in it, all I want to see is exciting racing. But, as money is the name of the game, IMO, the FIM? will see it as bad business if they leave him out. I did suggest a while ago, that the FIM? introduce an Under 21 GP series to run alongside the senior GPs. Smaller field, Less heats and maybe run on the permanent tracks only, say, 1 GP in all the major speedway nations, with the winner taking an automatic senior GP spot. Surely some interest in something like that. Edited October 19, 2008 by srbramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) Totally agree with the issue of "making numbers up" rather than getting in on merit. I also agree with three out of the four nominations. But your comment about the also rans? Ulamek made his decision to go into the GP Challenge, and made a good job of it by qualifying. You can go on about the never ending cycle - why not go one further and include Nicholls while your'e at it? I'm pretty sure he's got into the GP a couple of times when he hasn't qualified but has been seeded in. At least Ulamek and Walasek qualified fair and square "on merit" I believe you called it) and will not now have to wait to see if the BSI (or whoever it is that decides these things) throws them a bone. I'd agree - Ulamek and Grzegorz got in by right and fair play; you can't argue with it. My point really was, they're hardly inspirational additions are they, and also rans in the sense that they seem to be in the series for a year, then disappear and then get back in again whilst never likely to make anything other than a ripple in the series, if that (look at Dryml - prime example), whilst others who are possibly better (and that's a subjective call) and who perhaps should take part in the qualifiers seem to be happy to rely on getting a wildcard place and then probably lose out when it all goes TU - I'd include Scott and Harris in that and also Bjarne this year (although he's made public his decision on '09 already). I agree totally about including Nicholls as an also ran sadly, I only included him in my list of 4 simply that he will probably get in by dint of the fact that a Brit seems to be needed for some reason. If all were fair in love and the world of GP nominations he might be thinking about he was going to spend his alternate Saturdays in 2009. If it were me there's a couple of other riders I'd put in above him, but then i'm not BSI/IMG or whatever they are these days. Thankfully. Edited October 19, 2008 by rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) I think Scott will be back simply because he is the best GP rider outside the top eight. He should be in it regardless of nationality. As for the rest like many of you I would be inclined to give Lindgren another go and bring in some new blood in Emil and Noddy. Edited October 19, 2008 by WembleyLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinders Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Kind of poetic justice Harris beating Nicolls in their heat thus putting paid to his top 8dream after what he did to Harris in the run off last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombers number 1 fan. Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) I think he should get one. He's been trying really hard recently and only just missed out. I think he deserves to be back next year. Scott is very entertaining to watch when he get's wound up. Don't think Bomber will be back in them next year. It will probably do he some good to take a year or two out. Edited October 19, 2008 by Bombers number 1 fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The GP series will always need a brit in it, otherwise thousands of true british fans will have nobody to cheer on in Cardiff, and the FIM know that. Therefore, as Scott is still the best brit out there, I fully expect him to get a pick. Harris on the other hand, has had his chance, and its time for another to take his place, and not neccessarily a brit either. Congratulations to the new World Champion, as much as it pains me to say it. Using this logic Dryml and Zagar should be wild cards next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) Using this logic Dryml and Zagar should be wild cards next year. Oh yes, Czech Republic and Slovenia, those 2 hotbeds of world speedway. You missed the main point completely. Edited October 19, 2008 by srbramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 ive not read all the post so excuse me if the q has been asked but who decides the wildcards ,how many votes and what countrys can vote? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Oh yes, Czech Republic and Slovenia, those 2 hotbeds of world speedway. You missed the main point completely. The main point being ... you live in the UK. Dryml and Zagar are more important in their GP's than any British rider. The reason it is called a World Championship is because it contains riders from around the world, if the British ain't good enough they shouldn't be there,as for the Czech's Slovenians ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 nicholls and harris have to be back in. there would be a massive drop in attendance at cardiff. what with sky and cardiff the uk bankroles the gp's so we should have at least two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 ive not read all the post so excuse me if the q has been asked but who decides the wildcards ,how many votes and what countrys can vote? Thanks in advance lol Countries? Votes? its all down to a very few number of poeple at BSI/IMG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 nicholls and harris have to be back in. there would be a massive drop in attendance at cardiff. what with sky and cardiff the uk bankroles the gp's so we should have at least two! According to Sky's own figures, the SWC final was watched by more people than, the SWC last chance qualifier which contained team GB. Therfore no it would make no difference, people want to see the best riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) The main point being ... you live in the UK. Dryml and Zagar are more important in their GP's than any British rider. The reason it is called a World Championship is because it contains riders from around the world, if the British ain't good enough they shouldn't be there,as for the Czech's Slovenians ditto. Niether country have got the draw of a 50,000 attendance GP, with ticket prices up to £75. Nothing to do with nationality at all, only money, and you are very niaive to miss that point. If they decide to ever reduce the amount of GPs, then the British GP would be the last one to go, as it is by far the biggest money spinner of them all. Slovenia and Czech Rep. will go LONG before Cardiff. To me, that is the importance of having a Brit in the series over any other nationality when picking wildcards. It is probably due to Britain having the biggest GP, that the rest of europe find hard to swallow. Edited October 19, 2008 by srbramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M08 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) nicholls and harris have to be back in. there would be a massive drop in attendance at cardiff. what with sky and cardiff the uk bankroles the gp's so we should have at least two! I don't think there would be a ''massive drop''. British fans would still go to Cardiff even if there were no British riders. And with Nicholls pretty much guaranteed to be in, I'd be surprised if there was a massive drop in the attendance at Cardiff. Maybe a couple of thousand. British fans would still go to watch Scott. Edited October 19, 2008 by M08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 the way i look at cardiff is thats its a 50-50 split between track regulars and people who used to go to speedweay and now just go for this big one off event. i suspect it would hit this group massivley. just think of the sky adverts "come to to cardiff and support err joe a to z from polland" they would just roll up in the droves. the brtish sporting fans are fickle, if they think a brit has a chance most will get behined them, if they dont get to cardiff they wont want to support the other riders as they dont go to the league! just my opinion..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) But even if no Brit gains a permanent WC, one will get the Cardiff one.So all the Brits will have someone to cheer on and hope wins the meeting.Or not? Edited October 19, 2008 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M08 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Well the way I look at it is that British fans would still go to Cardiff whether there was just Scott Nicholls as the Brit or Nicholls and Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybea39 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Schumi In answer to your question......i dont really care......GP's in my mind have been going down hill for the last few years...Rather than worry about who should be in and who should be out...we would be better off trying to see why 99% of the GP tracks are bereft dirt thus giving us poor meetings...I was at Kings Lynn last night watching a super meeting......Did i sky plus the GP...nope i sky plused Strictly and X Factor..... jaybea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Schumi In answer to your question......i dont really care......GP's in my mind have been going down hill for the last few years...Rather than worry about who should be in and who should be out...we would be better off trying to see why 99% of the GP tracks are bereft dirt thus giving us poor meetings...I was at Kings Lynn last night watching a super meeting......Did i sky plus the GP...nope i sky plused Strictly and X Factor..... jaybea Which says more about you than it does the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Well the way I look at it is that British fans would still go to Cardiff whether there was just Scott Nicholls as the Brit or Nicholls and Harris. On the Gelsenkirken refunds thread, there are people who have tickets for Cardiff now. Does it matter if there is a British rider there? Not to them it doesn't. If you want to watch N.Pedersen, Hancock, Holta and Gollob ride against Crump, Jonsson, Anderssen and Adams in the UK you have to go to the GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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