New Year Classic

[father jack]

Anyway theres a rumour going round that Matt Ford is taking two partners on to the Poole Board - Burke & Hare.

[orion]

You leaving Royal Mail,or another duty?

Hoping to go back to work in a fortnight,have to see the DOM first,see if he`ll put me on light duties until somebody can sort out what`s wrong with my head and balance.

 

I don't think there any chance of finding out what's wrong with your head

 

[BeesFan]

we went to the NYC every year and enjoyed everyone, but if the rumours are true no way will matt ford be getting our money im very angry about this but will not vent on here until all the facts are known

[Dietbowers]

I don't think there any chance of finding out what's wrong with your head

Your not the only one saying that

 

[father jack]

What I find realy distatseful about this is that upon hearing of Tims passing the first thing that crossed his mind was not the sad loss of a fellow promoter, but the availabilty of the January Licence.

[Steve Shovlar]

What I find realy distatseful about this is that upon hearing of Tims passing the first thing that crossed his mind was not the sad loss of a fellow promoter, but the availabilty of the January Licence.

 

And you know this as a fact do you? Just because a begrudged fan said this earlier doesn't make it true, even if it's constantly repeated.

 

I would think Matt Ford will be quite upset if he reads this accusation. Even though its gone on record that he didn't apply for the event until mid summer, it seems Newport fans are jumping on a made up lie to tarnish and slur the Poole promotion.

 

 

[BeesFan]

so is it true then steve that ford has applied to steal this event?applying for it midsummer?

[Steve Shovlar]

so is it true then steve that ford has applied to steal this event?applying for it midsummer?

 

The BSPA put it out to all clubs to submit an application to run it, with the cutoff date of 30th September. There as no rush for any club as it wasn't a case of first come first served. Once all applications were in, the BSPA would make a decision.

 

As it was only Poole applied to run it, so were granted the lisence for one year only. The talk of Poole applying for it three days after Tim Stone passed away is rubbish and posted on here just to inflame Newport fans, many of whom were gullible enough to believe it.

[BeesFan]

The issue for me isnt when it was applied for, just the fact that this now means there will be no NYC at Newport, surely the right thing would of been to see what happens with Newport. Ford could of applied for 2010 if nothing happens at Newport in 2009. still seems to leave a bad taste. I wonder why no one else applied?? possibly respect?

[father jack]

, it seems Newport fans are jumping on a made up lie to tarnish and slur the Poole promotion.

 

We dont need to, the Poole promotion are quite capable of doing that themselves

[Steve Shovlar]

The issue for me isnt when it was applied for, just the fact that this now means there will be no NYC at Newport, surely the right thing would of been to see what happens with Newport. Ford could of applied for 2010 if nothing happens at Newport in 2009. still seems to leave a bad taste. I wonder why no one else applied?? possibly respect?

 

What you are saying makes no sense. There will be no NYC at Newport in January because there is no Newport Speedway. The club is currently not running and there is no current promoter. Hopefully the situation will be resolved in time for the club to ride in 2009 but there are no guarentees.

 

So Poole have stepped in to make sure there is a winter meeting. Poole are not running the NYC, as Rabbit has already stated, but are running their own event, called the Champions of Champions. It's a one off meeting for 2009 only.

 

What you are saying is that if Newport don't run, there should be no winter meeting? And yoou can't "leave things" to see what happens, because to put on a meeting takes time and planning, plus the build up for the fans.

 

If the weather is good it should be a great afternoons speedway action at Wimborne Road on 4th January. And if newport are back up and running next season, they may have the NYC back there in 2010.

[colincooke]

And you know this as a fact do you? Just because a begrudged fan said this earlier doesn't make it true, even if it's constantly repeated.

 

I would think Matt Ford will be quite upset if he reads this accusation. Even though its gone on record that he didn't apply for the event until mid summer, it seems Newport fans are jumping on a made up lie to tarnish and slur the Poole promotion.

Just as long as you know it wasn't i that repeated it, Steve, even though it was in my username.

[kingpin23699]

I think MR SHOVLAR that if you took as trip out to Queensway Meadows you WOULD find a Newport Speedway!

I also think that you get some good racing at Newport.

Was hoping to go but won't be now. I always enjoy my trips to Newport.

 

[Vince]

The BSPA put it out to all clubs to submit an application to run it, with the cutoff date of 30th September. There as no rush for any club as it wasn't a case of first come first served. Once all applications were in, the BSPA would make a decision.

 

As it was only Poole applied to run it, so were granted the lisence for one year only. The talk of Poole applying for it three days after Tim Stone passed away is rubbish and posted on here just to inflame Newport fans, many of whom were gullible enough to believe it.

 

Truly gullible would be to take your spin at face value!

Given that the situation at Newport was not known then then the original cut-off being set at September 30th may well have been sensible. However when it became apparent that there was a definite intention of re-opening Newport for Speedway then they could have easily been allowed a further month to establish whether they could run the event. Then as you tell us Poole were the only applicants they could have started some provisional planning although it wouldn't really be necessary. The comment about there being no chance of the meeting running at Newport is no more than spin to fit the situation.

The track at Newport has been maintained and has actually been prepared with the Classic in mind. The amount of work that has gone into it would almost certainly have seen the best track ever prepared for the meeting. The infrastructure is there as was the willingness and apparently the promotin team, the application deadline was not practical for Newport given the circumstances - who imposed the deadline?

Poole have stepped in to save the meeting, even the most gullible person is not going to fall for that. Whether the meeting was at Poole, Newport or anywhere else it would be run to make some money. Yet again Mr Shovlar assumes everybody else is stupid.

Finally what happens if the loss of this meeting makes the running of Newport Speedway financially impossible for a new owner so it becomes an industrial estate, would you still expect us to applaud Poole for 'saving the meeting'?

[Steve Shovlar]

Truly gullible would be to take your spin at face value!

Given that the situation at Newport was not known then then the original cut-off being set at September 30th may well have been sensible. However when it became apparent that there was a definite intention of re-opening Newport for Speedway then they could have easily been allowed a further month to establish whether they could run the event. Then as you tell us Poole were the only applicants they could have started some provisional planning although it wouldn't really be necessary. The comment about there being no chance of the meeting running at Newport is no more than spin to fit the situation.

The track at Newport has been maintained and has actually been prepared with the Classic in mind. The amount of work that has gone into it would almost certainly have seen the best track ever prepared for the meeting. The infrastructure is there as was the willingness and apparently the promotin team, the application deadline was not practical for Newport given the circumstances - who imposed the deadline?

Poole have stepped in to save the meeting, even the most gullible person is not going to fall for that. Whether the meeting was at Poole, Newport or anywhere else it would be run to make some money. Yet again Mr Shovlar assumes everybody else is stupid.

Finally what happens if the loss of this meeting makes the running of Newport Speedway financially impossible for a new owner so it becomes an industrial estate, would you still expect us to applaud Poole for 'saving the meeting'?

 

I don't post spin. I post it as I see it. Sure I am defensive when it comes to my club, as would any fan be, but I don't resort to personal abuse which has gone on in this thread.

 

You know the deadline would have been set by the BSPA MC. Poole have no input there and Matt Ford is not on the MC. If Newport thought they could have got the meeting run on January 4th, they should have applied to run it, or at least asked the Reading promotion to do it on their behalf within the time frame. But they didn't. It seems the whole "lets ask Reading", and the article in the Speedway star was something of an afterthought. A bit of like closing the stable doors after the horse has already bolted.

 

And of course the meeting is there to be run to make money. Speedway promoters are businessmen and need to make a profit otherwise what would be the point of doing it? The love of the sport? Plenty of fans have been promoters and look what has happened to the majority of those. Being a businessman first and a fan second is the only way to survive in these harsh times. You know as well as anyone else the meeting will be well promoted and Poole speedway will get the best possible field together in the circumstances.

 

I wish Newport well, even though a small majority of their fans have acted disgracefully and pulled the name of their club through the mud with their abusive posts on here, inflamed by some idiot posting about Matt Ford aplying for the meeting three days after Tim Stone's death. Such posts were bound to incite trouble but luckily the majority saw straight through it.

 

But you know, as well as many others, that there was no way that Newport could have run this meeting in January. They haven't got through probate and they haven't got a promoter in place as yet. To think this is going to happen in the next month, the promoter becomes ratified with the BSPA and everything woould have been ready for the 4th January is not a realistic goal.

 

This time next year Newport might well have announced the return of the NYC, and good luck to them when it happens and I hope they have a massive crowd turn up. But this year the decision has been made to let it go elsewhere, and speedway fans throughout the country will be treated to an out of season event.

[GlasgowGuy]

I don't post spin. I post it as I see it. Sure I am defensive when it comes to my club, as would any fan be, but I don't resort to personal abuse which has gone on in this thread.

 

You know the deadline would have been set by the BSPA MC. Poole have no input there and Matt Ford is not on the MC. If Newport thought they could have got the meeting run on January 4th, they should have applied to run it, or at least asked the Reading promotion to do it on their behalf within the time frame. But they didn't. It seems the whole "lets ask Reading", and the article in the Speedway star was something of an afterthought. A bit of like closing the stable doors after the horse has already bolted.

 

And of course the meeting is there to be run to make money. Speedway promoters are businessmen and need to make a profit otherwise what would be the point of doing it? The love of the sport? Plenty of fans have been promoters and look what has happened to the majority of those. Being a businessman first and a fan second is the only way to survive in these harsh times. You know as well as anyone else the meeting will be well promoted and Poole speedway will get the best possible field together in the circumstances.

 

I wish Newport well, even though a small majority of their fans have acted disgracefully and pulled the name of their club through the mud with their abusive posts on here, inflamed by some idiot posting about Matt Ford aplying for the meeting three days after Tim Stone's death. Such posts were bound to incite trouble but luckily the majority saw straight through it.

 

But you know, as well as many others, that there was no way that Newport could have run this meeting in January. They haven't got through probate and they haven't got a promoter in place as yet. To think this is going to happen in the next month, the promoter becomes ratified with the BSPA and everything woould have been ready for the 4th January is not a realistic goal.

 

This time next year Newport might well have announced the return of the NYC, and good luck to them when it happens and I hope they have a massive crowd turn up. But this year the decision has been made to let it go elsewhere, and speedway fans throughout the country will be treated to an out of season event.

 

Outside looking in at what is obviously a very sensitive subject, I can't see that Poole Speedway have done anything out of order or acted with disrespect to anyone. If Newport's return depended upon finances raised through staging the NYC in January then that would be a different matter, I believe this is not the case and that no one representing Newport Speedway is openly protesting about Poole's actions.

 

Is there more to this that I have overlooked? Apologies in advance if I have.

 

If not, then good luck to Poole for providing some out of season speedway for fans to enjoy and, at the same time, hopefully making some money from doing so, I'm certain there are several other promoters around the country who wouldn't mind doing exactly the same.

[Steve Shovlar]

Outside looking in at what is obviously a very sensitive subject, I can't see that Poole Speedway have done anything out of order or acted with disrespect to anyone. If Newport's return depended upon finances raised through staging the NYC in January then that would be a different matter, I believe this is not the case and that no one representing Newport Speedway is openly protesting about Poole's actions.

 

Is there more to this that I have overlooked? Apologies in advance if I have.

 

If not, then good luck to Poole for providing some out of season speedway for fans to enjoy and, at the same time, hopefully making some money from doing so, I'm certain there are several other promoters around the country who wouldn't mind doing exactly the same.

 

Thanks for making this post as a complete neutral with no vested interest.

[KEITH M]

I also say good luck to Poole but why does it have to be awarded nearly 3 months before the actual meeting. I am sure it didn't take that long for Bydgoszcz to apply for the German Grand Prix

[orion]

I also say good luck to Poole but why does it have to be awarded nearly 3 months before the actual meeting. I am sure it didn't take that long for Bydgoszcz to apply for the German Grand Prix

 

To give time for the fans to que up .

 

[themilkman23]

Thanks for making this post as a complete neutral with no vested interest.

 

You not going to thank the people with no vested interest that are against Poole having the meeting?

 

Actually, don't bother answering that Steve. It's obvious that you are very close to the Poole promotion as was Vince with Newport's previous promotion.

 

Your right, Matt Ford is a business man, and a damn good one by the way he has made Poole a success. And if he was that good as soon as Tim died he would have spotted a money making opportunity and quite a lucrative one if most of the crowd from the play off final turn up for it as well as some neutral fans.

 

Just because Matt Ford has told you that he didn't apply for it 3 days after Tim's passing does not make it anymore believable than someone else saying that he did. Matt would have known that the issue would have been delicate so would NEVER admit it.

 

Whilst you are sticking up for your club and I applaud you for that, it's not the best idea to say that Newport fans acted disgracefully and pulled the name of their club through the mud. I know all your doing is trying to turn the sympathy back to Poole, but most people will see through that also. Your arguement for Poole to stage the meeting should be strong enough without resorting to putting people down.

 

Like I said before, people are obviously going to very defensive of an event that was risked and then made a year on year success being taken away from their track, especially when the person doing so has died.

 

I agree with you that if Newport was being bulldozed as we speak then Poole should be staging the meeting without fuss. But the fact is that there are still parties interested in purchasing Newport Speedway and want to run next year and I know they wanted to run this meeting as it would have helped greatly with the rent over the winter. This should have been provisionally agreed at the end of September and then officially agreed at the AGM. I know you are saying that arranging the meeting takes time, but it's a winter meeting, it's not like the riders will be riding elsewhere, 6 weeks would have been more than enough.

Edited October 24, 2008 by themilkman23