Mateusz Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) What a f**king joke! All BSI/IMG/Olsen&Gays, whatever they are called now, are skurwiele that should be hanged for this I'd love to see them hanging on Bydgoszcz floodlights this Saturday at the stadium! I'm going to the Bydgoszcz GP Episode 2. To watch great racing, support TG... have done all 11 Bydgoszcz GPs so can't really not to go... but when I think about it I'm a bit torn. As the best way of showing them what we think would be an empty stadium this Saturday. But that's not gonna happen, anyway. As someone mentioned, it's a monopoly and we have no choice. But feeling sick when I think about all those Olsens who'll be hanging around at the stadium. Spent lots of my hard earned money on this trip, it cost me lots of nerves as well (courtesy of Ryanair, the not-on-time airline) etc.. but at least living in the capitol of Polish speedway (and doubts...? ) I'm lucky to be able to see this year's final at a silly cost (comparing to any abroad trip). Feeling very sorry for all those who did this long journey to Germany and can't go to Bydgoszcz now. Because of money, hotels being booked up etc... Especially sorry for those who had to struggle extra because of their flights being delayed/cancelled. That's just so unfair Riders & fans are the only professionals here, there whole rest of SGP is a f**king farce. If Olsen and his muppets can't build any good temporary track, why not make a few Polish GP per year? Bydgoszcz, Leszno, Czestochowa, maybe even Torun when they have their ultra-modern brand new stadium built..? We're always ready, it's always a sell-out here and usually most exciting heats as well. We're the best! (ain't feeling bad at all for not being modest in this case) Thinking about some protest banner which I could hang on the fence at the backstraight on Saturday, among all those flags. Just to release my anger a bit. It will probably end up as an argument with a few specnaz looking security guys but I may prepare something. Anyway, at the moment am just utterly fed up. All things being well, wanted to do some new GP's next year but now may give it up. Am definitely not going to go anything like Gothenburg, Parken etc. Not to mention the hopeless Germany. Will probably stick just to the Polish GPs... and Cardiff, only because of the great company and atmosphere in town! Edited October 13, 2008 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Jason Crump in the Manchester Evening News: Crump Interview Interesting interview. Particularly when he mentions that nobody even had the good grace to inform the riders that the Saturday morning practice had been cancelled. Should make the fans feel a little better to know that the riders are treated with contempt as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwayondisc Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) My previous post on this topic was devoted to the short term aftermath of the Gelsenkirchen farce, particularly taking into account the massive losses that must have been suffered by all who made the ill-fated trip. I still feel that continuing to offer a $200,000 windfall bonus to meaningless Super Prix race winner whilst leaving so many people uncompensated looks disgraceful and seems to be yet another PR disaster in the making. Can IMG really afford another? Having now had the time to read the first hand accounts of Saturday's events from various fans' viewpoint I am even more certain that the money from the Super Prix should be directed towards a compesation fund. It is the human decent thing to do, surely. The longer-term impact is rather less clear. It would seem that the immediate response of some on this forum is to reignite the pro Gp v Pro World Final debate, yet again ... and alongside that, the pro BSI v anti BSI argument has flared once again. Realtistically this is just arguing over the deckchairs on the Titanic isn't it. Totally futile as the GP is here to stay and IMG/BSI have the franchise for just about as long as they want it. So we have to live with it, no matter what. Personally I have enjoyed some tremendous nights at World Finals of the past and have also yet to be disappointed by any GP I have attended ... So I feel pretty neutral. I'm also aware of some of the advances that have been made - especially regarding live TV - during BSI's stewardship but I'm equally well aware that the plaudits are probably due to many other people rather than Posselthwaite, Bellamy et al. Surely, the one advance that BSI are definitely responsible for, and the one for which we are most grateful, is Cardiff. Isn't this just a little less certain for the future now? I would fear that one real, possible consequence of the Gelsenkirchen postponement must be an end to any future one day tracks, whether indoor or outdoor. It's all very well for people to talk about BSI being able to claim on the insurance for last weekend. But surely the insurance was taken out at a reasonable premium only because the likelihood of an indoor rain-off was so, so low. What is the chance that any insurance company will ever again offer a price that anyone could afford when they know it so easily can happen! Edited October 13, 2008 by speedwayondisc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunichMassive Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) http://www.veltins-arena.de/news_081013_speedway.php Watch this,it's german,but it says the boss of the veltins arena offered them to stage the grand prix next saturday cause there is no soccer game that day. there wouldn't have been higher charges for them. But the FIM threw a monkey wrench in their plans.BSI/IMG/Olsen whatever could not guarantee that the dirt is gonna dry out till next weekend.haha i laugh my ass off thereupon they decided to stage the final GP at Bydgoszcz. so that sounds clear as rubbish.olsen what a diprubbish.... Edited October 13, 2008 by MunichMassive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Realtistically this is just arguing over the deckchairs on the Titanic isn't it. Totally futile as the GP is here to stay and IMG/BSI have the franchise for just about as long as they want it. So we have to live with it, no matter what. Not necessarily. I remain to be convinced the SGP does as well as people think, so it may eventually die a death of its own, particularly with fiascos like this weekend. Nevertheless, the power to change things lies with the national leagues who ultimately hold the balance of power because they're the ones paying the living wages to the riders. If all the main leagues stuck together and made it a condition of contract that their riders only exclusively rode for their teams, I think you'd find the SGP would die a pretty quick death. The SGP doesn't generate enough money to sustain a full-time circus, so even if IMG/BSI have the rights for the next 18 years (or whatever), they'd be pretty worthless without the top riders. I'm not especially against the concept of the SGP (although I do think it's overblown), but it's ridiculous that the rights were sold to a third-party for them to make money without having to return a thing to the sport. I doubt Gelsenkirchen will be a nail in the coffin of the SGP any more than Gothenburg was, but it's certainly punctured the myth of BSI being a professional promotional organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwayondisc Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) If all the main leagues stuck together and made it a condition of contract that their riders only exclusively rode for their teams, I think you'd find the SGP would die a pretty quick death. The SGP doesn't generate enough money to sustain a full-time circus, so even if IMG/BSI have the rights for the next 18 years (or whatever), they'd be pretty worthless without the top riders. You are completely correct, of course. But I have taken the trouble of highlighting the one word that makes the whole statement totally redundant, as it will never happen. Edited October 13, 2008 by speedwayondisc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 In my view a further statement should be issused by the senior vice president-IMG motorsports Rob Armstrong.The buck surely ends with him.In my view Mr Olsen has to go over this-he obviously under estimated the problem,as checking the webcam, they didnt even work thro the night fri/sat.IMG should this winter hire a giant warehouse or un-used stadium and spend all winter if neccessary,perfecting laying one-off tracks-with a new track team of the best track curators in europe(money should be no object)this cannot be allowed to happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I would be very surprised if the Speedway Star was too critical of BSI/IMG. They have their colours firmly pinned to the GP mast and are unlikely to stray too far from the party line (whatever that may be). They all seemed to be enjoying Saturday evening in the Marriot next to stadium so i think Speedway Star will tow the line. And Sunday morning at breakfast Olsen was bold as brass in restaurant , not a care in the world . What a joke ? he didnt care not cost him air ticket , airport car parking ,hotel bill time off work . The man has to go . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) In my view a further statement should be issused by the senior vice president-IMG motorsports Rob Armstrong.The buck surely ends with him.In my view Mr Olsen has to go over this-he obviously under estimated the problem,as checking the webcam, they didnt even work thro the night fri/sat.IMG should this winter hire a giant warehouse or un-used stadium and spend all winter if neccessary,perfecting laying one-off tracks-with a new track team of the best track curators in europe(money should be no object)this cannot be allowed to happen again. That would mean spending MONEY - all people at the top seem interested in - is making it. Edited October 13, 2008 by ianmartin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 They all seemed to be enjoying Saturday evening in the Marriot next to stadium so i think Speedway Star will tow the line. And Sunday morning at breakfast Olsen was bold as brass in restaurant , not a care in the world . What a joke ? he didnt care not cost him air ticket , airport car parking ,hotel bill time off work . The man has to go . I doubt very much that the Star will kick up a stink about this. Managing Editor Philip Rising & that bloody eegit Olsen have been pals for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'd love to get hold of that pratt Bellamy. When we arrived at 5PM there was obviously something wrong as the place was so quiet. When we eventually got to the stadium there were three Local Lads acting as security staff behind the turnstyles and in broken English we were told that the meeting was off. We were handed a press statement in German along with Shalke FC's phone number...Nothing for non German speakers. So they couldn't even be bothered to organise that. The BSI IMG pratts had obviosly cleared off much earlier the cowardly lowlifes. I have tried in vain to contact seetickets as I am being told to contact them via the website and of course they don't answer the emails either Not sure what to do now other than go to Barclaycard to block the payment and get the money back that way and they can stick the GP tickets where the sun don't shine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 That would mean spending MONEY - all people at the top seem interested in - is making it. Dont under-estimate IMG,they are a very successful company and will not want this fiasco to tarnish their reputation-major changes will be made after this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 This will now make it the third Polish GP this year and with so much hanging on this meeting I'd have preferred a different venue but I suppose they were short of time. Who will it favour (apart from Gollob), Holta, Nicholls or B Pedersen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRY Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Has anyone actually got a reply from anyone about getting a refund or replacement tickets for next year? I have tried BSI and the ticket agents for the stadium, but as yet no reply. If anyone does get a contact e-mail address that responds, perhaps they could post it here? Apologies if someone has responded later in the thread, but I had an e-mail within 1 hour of the event being called off advising how to obtain a refund - that took some organising! To those that were in the Arena over the weekend, anyone know what happened to the Freestyle Motocross boys? they were at the hotel on Friday, and I'm sure they were practicing on Friday night, but were nowhere to be seen on Saturday (along with any programme sellers, refreshment kiosks, merchandise stalls.......... I did see 3 cleaners dusting some seats but they got bored after a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver17561 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 what a farce got back this morning after ryanair got cancelled at weeze at least ryanair looks after you when things go ** up they could not do to much for us thumbs up for them . olsan and gang well what can i say zippos circus comes to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 This will now make it the third Polish GP this year and with so much hanging on this meeting I'd have preferred a different venue but I suppose they were short of time. Who will it favour (apart from Gollob), Holta, Nicholls or B Pedersen? Interesting question. Earlier in the season at Biddy, Nicholls accumulated 10pts & reached the final Holta got 6 & Bjarne 4. A repeat would see Nicholls get 8th spot by 1pt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dont under-estimate IMG,they are a very successful company Which is why one wonders, they got involved with speedway in the first place? IMG should this winter hire a giant warehouse or un-used stadium and spend all winter if neccessary,perfecting laying one-off tracks-with a new track team of the best track curators in europe(money should be no object)this cannot be allowed to happen again. Money of course, is an object with the whole thing. And surely all the track laying practice in the world won't help if you do something as basic as leaving the shale out to get wet? But I have taken the trouble of highlighting the one word that makes the whole statement totally redundant, as it will never happen. I agree. The lack of vision and foresight is why the speedway promoters allowed the SGP concept to be hijacked by outsiders in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkif Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 what a farce got back this morning after ryanair got cancelled at weeze at least ryanair looks after you when things go ** up they could not do to much for us thumbs up for them . olsan and gang well what can i say zippos circus comes to mind Pleased u had a good experience - they couldnt get us out of the airport quick enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Pleased u had a good experience - they couldnt get us out of the airport quick enough! Feel so sorry for you & all concerned Nikki. So glad now i decided to go to Lonigo instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I dunno - just seen some piccies of the track and it looked like there was a bit of dirt there for once!! (Deep Too!!) Maybe a truckload of Blue Circle Cement would have helped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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