Reaso Snr Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 There were people walking around the pits on friday with which looked liked programmes, I might be wrong though. They were probably on route to Poland by Saturday afternoon!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 The situation re. the meeting programme seems to me here to be critical. We've seen mention that someone trying to buy a prog. was told there weren't any..!! Did anyone who was there get one or see one..?? If the answer to that is "no", then there can surely be absolutely no doubt that this meeting was called off long before yesterday or rather that there was no plan to hold it yesterday at this venue. If I was one of those who had travelled I would be preparing to sue the ar*e off the crooks who have done this. Can the whole group not get together to do this..??? This effectively now MUST be the end of the GPs. If it isn't then it IS the end of international individual Speedway as any kind of serious sport. It is also remarkable that Sky hadn't programmed in 'reruns' of the GP. I haven't checked this but IF this was the case it would, extraordinarily, imply that somehow they were in on this. An unlikely concept - and I'd intrinsically be against the conspiracy theories myself too.. - but what other rational explanations can people suggest. And sorry, m8, but I can't believe you've posted this..!! This whole thing sums up the GPs and has pushed Speedway much, much nearer total extinction.. You know, extinction...: like the dinosaurs..!! For someone so far away you seem to know an awful lot. How many other successful GP's have been run? All bar this and one other, blimey all thats happened is a meeting has been called off. Yes I know it's gutting for everyone concerned including the riders but lets not lose a sense of perspective here. I entirely agree someone high ups head should roll for this, but the end of the GP's? Do me a favour. Like I said yesterday the anti GP mob would have a field day with this, and you me old mate are definately one of them!! See you at Shepherds Bush next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 This effectively now MUST be the end of the GPs. If it isn't then it IS the end of international individual Speedway as any kind of serious sport. Very optimistic. Surely you can't be advocating a return to the old one off World Final? Whilst the argument might have a small amount of merit, it is clearly not going to happen. The FIM having sold the family silver to BSI/IMG are not going to try and claim it back, and at the same time there is still money being made from the current set-up. We can grumble all we like about the GP series, but I can't see much change in the forseeable future. Tracks will continue to laid with minimal shale by a Race Director who seems impervious to any criticism, the main Speedway press in this country will continue to sing the praises of the GP's whilst their Managing Editor is so closely tied to them, BSI will continue to come up with ridiculous ideas like the Super Prix and the crowds will continue to go. My prediction is that the blame will be laid at the local organisers and Gelsenkirchen will be quietly dropped from the rota ( and you will never hear anyone from BSI/IMG mention its name again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schumi Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Tell it to the hand ... I would rather be a happy go lucky guy than a person with hang ups like you iris is one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, and he knows his stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 iris is one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, and he knows his stuff. And comes from a very nice family, I hasten to add!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 I can't believe anyone from Britain actually forked out for this, well documented how poor a GP it was last year, together with the poor entrance security nonsense that went on, then the card stuff to get food and drink, no access to third/fourth bend in order to make the crowd look bigger than it was.Then came the racing WELL SOME OF US DID. IT COST SOMETHING AROUNG £700 FOR ME AND THE MISSUS AND IF YOU THINK THATS FUNNY YOU ARE A PRETTY QUEER FISH IN MY OPINION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Dixon Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 WELL SOME OF US DID. IT COST SOMETHING AROUNG £700 FOR ME AND THE MISSUS AND IF YOU THINK THATS FUNNY YOU ARE A PRETTY QUEER FISH IN MY OPINION. I went last year, hence my comments. Do you have to shout?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddi Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 practice was cancelled till saturday morning at 10am. Why weren't we, the public told this. Then we could have made an informed descisionas to wether or not to travel to Germany. To be told after getting to the stadium stinks after travelling all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Surely no Insurance Co/Policy would cover human incompetence, therefore this farce must have huge financial implications on IMG. Lets assume the following: Reported ticket sales were relatively low (10-11000). These as stated will be refunded in full along with a free ticket to another GP say average ticket price of £35 refunds of £350,000 due (double this if everybody takes up the offer of a free GP next year) Surely, if Olsen was at fault, as was written in the Danish press article that Tarabanko posted,then it was an act of god not incompetence Tickets issued by the BSI/IMG will only cost them, printing and paper, how many GP's are oversubscribed . Edited October 12, 2008 by MARK246 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Taken from Holsteds newspage: http://www.holsted-speedway.dk/undersider/...dsid=1223819659 Just read through this on page translation and would urge others to do the same. We were told that the shale had got wet on the way from Denmark, but had also heard that it had been stored uncovered in Germany during wet weather last weekend. This article seems to confirm the latter. Therefore it is plainly negligence on BSI and Olsen's behalf. Personally I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theories ,we all know that speedway is run by idiots!!!! Edited October 12, 2008 by Beeone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 This effectively now MUST be the end of the GPs. If it isn't then it IS the end of international individual Speedway as any kind of serious sport. LMAO. Clutching at straws or what? Because a mess was made of one event, the whole series must end? Would it not be more sensible to call for the removal of the person in charge of track preparation? You might not like the GP series, but it's a far better way of establishing the best rider in the World than the old format. And sorry, m8, but I can't believe you've posted this..!! This whole thing sums up the GPs and has pushed Speedway much, much nearer total extinction.. You know, extinction...: like the dinosaurs..!! No...It sums up the way that the tracks are prepared at temporary venues. It says nothing about the series itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 I went last year, hence my comments. Do you have to shout?? YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessiebee Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Just got back from Germany. What I think about Ole Olsen is unprintable. For a start, why did the shale have to come all the way from Denmark - don't they have such a thing in Germany? Why also was the shale left out in wet conditions en route to Germany? The man is a joke as are his tracks . After the shock of learning that the GP was cancelled due to a wet track (whilst baking in glorious sunshine), my group decided to make the best of a bad lot and just treated it as a nice weekend away. The hotel was great, food fantastic and we met some nice German and Danish fans, who were equally disgruntled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 My prediction is that the blame will be laid at the local organisers and Gelsenkirchen will be quietly dropped from the rota Yes quite, as happened at Gothenburg. However, they at least had the get out that the track preparation was the responsibility of the local organisers then, but now this quite clearly falls with IMG/BSI because the responsibilities were changed after the Ullevi fiasco. I therefore wonder how they'll manage to wriggle out of this one. BSI proved they cannot do it, look at Reading and IMG are no better. IMG may now be the parent company, but I think the SGP is still largely organised by the former BSI people (although has anyone seen or heard from Postlethwaite recently?). I suspected IMG may not really have understood what they bought into, and quite what they must be thinking now is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 For someone so far away you seem to know an awful lot. How many other successful GP's have been run? All bar this and one other, blimey all thats happened is a meeting has been called off. Yes I know it's gutting for everyone concerned including the riders but lets not lose a sense of perspective here. I entirely agree someone high ups head should roll for this, but the end of the GP's? Do me a favour. Like I said yesterday the anti GP mob would have a field day with this, and you me old mate are definately one of them!! See you at Shepherds Bush next week. Actually I don't know anything!! Which is why I was asking if it's true about (1) there being no programmes and (2) the rather odd Sky scheduling..!! I don't think that there's any loss of a sense of perspective here!! Good job I hadn't gone (though fat chance, as you know, that I'd cross the road to see a GP let alone cross the channel!! ) because I would have lost it BIG TIME!!! You're right that you support the GPs and I'm firmly in the 'World Final'- camp...: but that doesn't mean you have to defend what's happened this weekend..!! Surely there IS no defence is there..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 The situation re. the meeting programme seems to me here to be critical. We've seen mention that someone trying to buy a prog. was told there weren't any..!! Did anyone who was there get one or see one..?? If the answer to that is "no", then there can surely be absolutely no doubt that this meeting was called off long before yesterday or rather that there was no plan to hold it yesterday at this venue. If I was one of those who had travelled I would be preparing to sue the ar*e off the crooks who have done this. Can the whole group not get together to do this..??? This effectively now MUST be the end of the GPs. If it isn't then it IS the end of international individual Speedway as any kind of serious sport. It is also remarkable that Sky hadn't programmed in 'reruns' of the GP. I haven't checked this but IF this was the case it would, extraordinarily, imply that somehow they were in on this. An unlikely concept - and I'd intrinsically be against the conspiracy theories myself too.. - but what other rational explanations can people suggest. And sorry, m8, but I can't believe you've posted this..!! This whole thing sums up the GPs and has pushed Speedway much, much nearer total extinction.. You know, extinction...: like the dinosaurs..!! According to an earlier Post - they were selling tickets on the Saturday Morning - WHY ?????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Just got back from Germany. What I think about Ole Olsen is unprintable. For a start, why did the shale have to come all the way from Denmark - don't they have such a thing in Germany? Why also was the shale left out in wet conditions en route to Germany? The man is a joke as are his tracks . I'm only guessing here, but probably because they own the shale that is used at Parken and that was what was taken to Germany. You might have noticed that the Parken track has been much better than Cardiff and that is allegedly because the shale used there is used solely for the temporary tracks and has had other materials mixed into it to make it bind better, unlike the Cardiff surface which is just loaned for the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Actually I don't know anything!! Which is why I was asking if it's true about (1) there being no programmes and (2) the rather odd Sky scheduling..!! I don't think that there's any loss of a sense of perspective here!! Good job I hadn't gone (though fat chance, as you know, that I'd cross the road to see a GP let alone cross the channel!! ) because I would have lost it BIG TIME!!! You're right that you support the GPs and I'm firmly in the 'World Final'- camp...: but that doesn't mean you have to defend what's happened this weekend..!! Surely there IS no defence is there..!! Totally agree Parsloes 1928 - What defence COULD there be. By the way - I too am firmly in the World Final camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 See you at Shepherds Bush next week. And an appropriate location too - just a few hundred metres from the late lamented White City where I witnessed the greatest Speedway meeting I've ever seen: the 1977 Inter-Continental Final If ever anyone wants evidence to show how much better the old World Championship system was than the old tat they call the GPs then visit http://speedwayondisc.blogspot.com/2008/09...r-mr-davis.html And this wasn't even the Final..: but an incredible penultimate qualifying round... Ah, those were the days - but I guess one's "Not Nineteen Forever"..!! I know what you'll say next, in fact "What Took You So Long?"!: that I'm living in the past..: but when it comes to Speedway it's "Yesterday, Today & Probably Tomorrow".. And as for what you've posted, well all I can say is "No, you didn't, No You don't" I pity anyone standing near us at the Courteeners gig though!! * for the record I was only 17 not 19 in 1977..: but a bit of poetic licence, eh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 How badly we need tracks the size of White City back here again. So good to see Mr Lee racing again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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