Bobalinks Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 The track was 385 metres long?! YAWN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 What happened to not trading insults Have you bothered to read any of the posts, or have you got a beef just with me? Your constant, very tiresome digs say you have. Take time out to read the beginning of the "debate", then make a stab at saying something interesting. Women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 MLs post or srbrambles? I know who I find more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Sadly, the GP's are not solely for 17 and 18 year old ... No they're not are they..? Soon they'll be for 37 & 38 years olds... : as clearly the 'format' (sic) is designed only to maintain the status quo. Greg Hancock's pension..?? It certainly is.. BTW, if ever one wanted to construct an argument about all that's wrong with the world Speedway championship read SCB's postings here..: his attitude says it all..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) Have you bothered to read any of the posts, or have you got a beef just with me? Your constant, very tiresome digs say you have. Take time out to read the beginning of the "debate", then make a stab at saying something interesting. Women. Yes I did read all the posts. You set yourself up for that comment as you said you weren't going to do insults then lo and behold off you go with an insult. MLs post or srbrambles? I know who I find more interesting. srbrambles but what do I care Edited October 7, 2008 by Midnight_Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 No they're not are they..? Soon they'll be for 37 & 38 years olds... : as clearly the 'format' (sic) is designed only to maintain the status quo. Greg Hancock's pension..?? It certainly is.. BTW, if ever one wanted to construct an argument about all that's wrong with the world Speedway championship read SCB's postings here..: his attitude says it all..!! So from the quote, "Sadly, the GP's are not solely for 17 and 18 year old but everyone...." you have managed to work out I think the GP's are only for old riders? Try reading what I write, you'll get a better idea of what I think. Frankly, your dig at Greg says a lot about your attitude about the GP's. The GP series should have the best 15 riders in the World in it (certainly 15 of the top 20 or so, it's a subjective arguement who th top 15 or 20 are any way), Greg is well into that top 20 in fatc he's top 5 and I'm pretty sure whatever system you used, he's qualify and rightly so. Just what is your issue? That Tai cannot qualify? Because that would be wrong, he can (ask Ulamek, Walasek and Bjerre), he just didn't. In fact, he got through the first round by coming 3rd in the British Final. If you honestly think Tai should be in the GP's, you're mad! Give it 3 or 4 years and I think he'll be there and finges crossed doing well. FWIW, one rider of Tais age I think would be a credit to the GP series is Emil Sajfutdinov but he's a class or two ahead of Tai right now. The only rider I can't say I'm too excited about in the GP's are Walasek and Ulamek but they qualified by rights so good luck to them, they deserve to be there. srbrambles but what do I care No comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) Yes I did read all the posts. You set yourself up for that comment as you said you weren't going to do insults then lo and behold off you go with an insult. srbrambles but what do I care Thats not an insult, thats a fact. You'd miss me if I wasn't here. Edited October 7, 2008 by srbramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 So from the quote, "Sadly, the GP's are not solely for 17 and 18 year old but everyone...." you have managed to work out I think the GP's are only for old riders? Try reading what I write, you'll get a better idea of what I think. Frankly, your dig at Greg says a lot about your attitude about the GP's. The GP series should have the best 15 riders in the World in it (certainly 15 of the top 20 or so, it's a subjective arguement who th top 15 or 20 are any way), Greg is well into that top 20 in fatc he's top 5 and I'm pretty sure whatever system you used, he's qualify and rightly so. Just what is your issue? That Tai cannot qualify? Because that would be wrong, he can (ask Ulamek, Walasek and Bjerre), he just didn't. In fact, he got through the first round by coming 3rd in the British Final. If you honestly think Tai should be in the GP's, you're mad! Give it 3 or 4 years and I think he'll be there and finges crossed doing well. At the end of the day, we'll always disagree about this..: coz you think the GPs are good; and I think they are complete pants and are throttling the life out of Speedway! Part of this disagreement is that you are happy for the same old faces, year in year out at the GPs, for it to be virtually a closed shop. Such a policy IMHO runs completely contrary to proper sport and is more like a circus (bit like the Formula One nonsense which the Speedway GPs take their 'inspiration' from...) You see, Speedway USED to have a proper World Championship dependent on ability in the year concerned; not on qualifying years ago and pulling up the ladder. You'll be no doubt astonished to hear that the likes of Peter Collins and Michael Lee qualified for World Finals when teenagers (in the case of the latter within two years of making his second division debut) and both were World Champs at a younger age than the one you belive Tai has to be before he's "allowed" to be a GP rider. Which goes to prove frankly that you have an argument, it's just that yours is about stifling young talent (which your comments in this thread amply show, is certainly a course of conduct you entirely sign up to..); whereas mine is that we need to give encoragement to the best young talent in our sport... I know which side on this divide offers hope for the future of the sport; and it patently and by definition cannot be yours!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 It is a difficult one.Someone before said something about the youngsters tried to qualify but failed.Well of course being young they are on a learning curve and next year will probably be better than this.By how much remains to be seen.The likes of Walasek and Ulamek are more than likely not going to be better than this year. I am a fan of the old one off World Final.It can't be beaten for atmosphere and publicity,but it is gone.The GPs are here to stay.I do think for the sport as a whole they are better.Maybe not for the sport in Britain,league wise.That is a problem for the Brits to sort out.But to complain about the age of the riders.Well Adams,Hancock and Gollob regularly beat all the youngsters.The top 5 or 6 are well ahead of the others.Those below,you could change around the names each year and they will do the same as the previous lot. The problem with any qualification process is the tracks.Get Walasek in a quali process that involves the tracks he rides well and he is more than likely to get through.You could say the same about Ferjan or Dryml or perhaps Kylmäkorpi.Luck of the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Parsloes, you make some good arguments, I could throw a few more in for you. I'm not blind to the GP series and your argument that Tai cannot be in World Championship is a fair one that I'd not argue with. My argument is he is not ready for the GP's. One thing I would throw back is that years ago riders seemed to get to the top quicker, maybe the lack of professionalism of the top guys meant they had chinks in the amour that the raw young upstarts could see and allowed themselves the chance. These days, everyone is so professional, it's hard to break into the top of the sport. There are very few riders under the age of 23 who are ready for the GP's or even a World Final event if there was one, realistically, I'm not sure many would qualify for a World Final if the chance was there, I base this on the fact (loosely speaking as I'm not checking every riders age) there were so few managed to qualify for the GP Challenege this season and there were 16 places available in that (so in effect, it was the same number of places as the one of World Final, but it was missing the very top guys who didn't do the qualifiers any way) I make it only Pavlic who's under 23 who made it. I think Bjerre is now about 24, Miedzinski is 24, Mads 25, Zagar 25, Ljung 26 (O think after that we're talking 30+) So even if they're given the chance to qualify, they're falling by the wayside long before the GP's/final round any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Part of this disagreement is that you are happy for the same old faces, year in year out at the GPs, for it to be virtually a closed shop. Such a policy IMHO runs completely contrary to proper sport and is more like a circus (bit like the Formula One nonsense which the Speedway GPs take their 'inspiration' from...) You see, Speedway USED to have a proper World Championship dependent on ability in the year concerned; not on qualifying years ago and pulling up the ladder. But riders like Hancock, Gollob and Adams do qualify each year by finishing in the top 8. What would you suggest? Given that there are currently 11 Gp's it would not be feasible to qualify for them at the start of each season, so it makes sense for that qualifying to take place the previous year. Every rider has the chance to enter that qualifying process and as SCB points out the GP Qualifying Final this year consisted of 16 tried and tested names, rather than the young guns who had all fallen by the wayside by the time we reached the Final (Pavlic owed his appearance to another rider pulling out through injury). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) For British Speedway fans, speedway starts and stops in this Country and they wonder why we're rubbishe in SWC's and GPs!!! While you speak as much sense as anyone on here SCB you have the tendancy to generalise when referring to speedway fans in this country and it gets right up my nose. Some of us pay plenty of attention to what goes on in Europe and beyond (keeping the Speedway Star next to the khazi helps ) and you shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush Edited October 8, 2008 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 So even if they're given the chance to qualify, they're falling by the wayside long before the GP's/final round any way. Jonas and Freddie missed the final through injury. Holder through bad luck. Thank god Kenneth made it, otherwise we'd have Tomasz Jerjerzak (sp), so 3 poles qualifying for the GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Holder through bad luck. So what bad luck did Holder have exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 So what bad luck did Holder have exactly? Didn't he miss his flight? That's what i read anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballinger Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 So what bad luck did Holder have exactly? Holder had 2x EFs plus a DNF in Lonigo QF. Only scored 5 points from memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Jonas and Freddie missed the final through injury. Holder through bad luck. Thank god Kenneth made it, otherwise we'd have Tomasz Jerjerzak (sp), so 3 poles qualifying for the GP. Freddie didn't miss the final through injury - he didn't take part in any of the qualifiers. May well be that he missed a qualifying round through injury. Holder had bike problems, the Aussie who missed his flight was Watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Holder had 2x EFs plus a DNF in Lonigo QF. Only scored 5 points from memory Thats not bad luck. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballinger Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Thats not bad luck. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Must be something about Australian bikes at Lonigo ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Freddie didn't miss the final through injury - he didn't take part in any of the qualifiers. May well be that he missed a qualifying round through injury. Holder had bike problems, the Aussie who missed his flight was Watt. He missed the the qualifer in Longio after the crash with Dryml in Copenhagen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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