srbramble Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I guess your view is totally unbiased! Suppose i'm the same with chris holder, but i wish people would stop over-hyping tai. Its not gonna do him any favours. They've done it with kennett, then bridger and now tai - who's next, i wonder. If I was five, then maybe I would be biased, but I am actually a rare fan who isn't biased towards his own team and riders. I just feel he is getting some unfair criticism from some, when he has no control over this hype he gets. Some people just don't like the lad, its obvious. But to suggest his achievements this season are nothing special, is rediculous. But it is Sunday, and its raining, so I guess a few are bored and just want to argue. Kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano4265 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I guess your view is totally unbiased! Suppose i'm the same with chris holder, but i wish people would stop over-hyping tai. Its not gonna do him any favours. They've done it with kennett, then bridger and now tai - who's next, i wonder. Did it with Carter and Wigg. Carter couldn't win with the British public or his so called British team mates, if he rode well noone noticed, if he came last he got loads of abuse. Wigg won the WLT twice but that didn't seem to matter everyone was on his case as he couldn't get it together in the Individual Championship, but he was a good rider. Joe Screen was another that had the World on his shoulders but never seemed to get beyond the British League. Loram could have been better but for serious injuries that curtailed him chasing another world title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano4265 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 (edited) Yes, his record at PL level It makes me laugh that Silver Bee is the ignorant one but you probably don't have a clue what Tai is doing any where other than Rye House. He's not doing a lot in Poland. Tai is a good rider, he'll be a superb rider one day but at present he's only just on the radar and is having far to much pressure heaped on him. and the "his gating lets him down" line, yeah, like it did Sajfutdinov? Stone last twice, still managed to take the win. The scary thing is, he's only a few months older than Tai. If you were asking what Martin Hagon, Sean Willmott, Olly Allen, Simon Stead, or even Andre Compton had achieved in their 1st 2 seasons then squat diddly, but looking at this and last season, try telling even the dumbest EL Speedway fan that Tais' achievements are nothing special. Edited October 5, 2008 by Deano4265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Did it with Carter and Wigg. Carter couldn't win with the British public or his so called British team mates, if he rode well noone noticed, if he came last he got loads of abuse. Wigg won the WLT twice but that didn't seem to matter everyone was on his case as he couldn't get it together in the Individual Championship, but he was a good rider. Joe Screen was another that had the World on his shoulders but never seemed to get beyond the British League. Loram could have been better but for serious injuries that curtailed him chasing another world title. Simon Wigg won the World Longtrack Championship 5 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 If you were asking what Martin Hagon, Sean Willmott, Olly Allen, Simon Stead, or even Andre Compton had achieved in their 1st 2 seasons then squat diddly, but looking at this and last season, try telling even the dumbest EL Speedway fan that Tais' achievements are nothing special. and who might that be? tai is a really good rider and personally speaking, i love watching him ride. i mean he was beating holder comfortably at poole a few weeks ago, not many have been doing that this season. but it just annoys me the way pearson goes on and on about him. think it may be annoying a few people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Yes and there's plenty of hype coming from Denmark, Sweden and Poland and when some of them come over here you just wonder what they hell have they achieved - It seemed to me that there was quite a lot of hype about Risager a few years back.Most of it from Britain rather than Denmark And the same with some of the Polish riders.It was people on here tipping Zabik or the other guy at Ipswich last year who had a good heat or two at Poole in the SWC.Now it looks like Darcy ward is going to get it over the winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano4265 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Simon Wigg won the World Longtrack Championship 5 times.My mistake sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano4265 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 and who might that be? tai is a really good rider and personally speaking, i love watching him ride. i mean he was beating holder comfortably at poole a few weeks ago, not many have been doing that this season. but it just annoys me the way pearson goes on and on about him. think it may be annoying a few people.99% it seems, get a good rider and KNOCK HIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 99% it seems, get a good rider and KNOCK HIM Aaah, but you said dumbest elite league fan - so it can only be one person!! Was just wondering who it was, thats all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 If I was five, then maybe I would be biased, but I am actually a rare fan who isn't biased towards his own team and riders. I just feel he is getting some unfair criticism from some, when he has no control over this hype he gets. Some people just don't like the lad, its obvious. But to suggest his achievements this season are nothing special, is rediculous. But it is Sunday, and its raining, so I guess a few are bored and just want to argue. Kids. I think you are maybe missing the point that SCB seems to be making. Tai's achievements this season are special when taking into consideration his age and his experience, however they are not special when compared to all riders regardless of their age or experience, and those are who he needs to be compared with when suggesting he should receive a GP place...That's what was being discussed, whether he was deserving of a GP place next season...and he clearly isn't yet ready for that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 What is your problem? He performed better for his country than your 2 track specialists, both british. You also compare him to very exceptional talents, which is slightly unfair, considering the experience both riders have compared to Tai. Idiot. If anything, it is the content of your post, that suggests you don't have a clue. Tai didn't ride at Coventry so we don't know how he would have performed against our track specialists. Also. we're not claiming that Oli Allen and Simon Stead have acheived more than nearly every other rider ever in 1 season so perhaps you shouldn't brand others idiots without being able to conduct a coherent argument with us. Woffinden is a great prospect, yes, but your original post claiming very few have acheived what Woffinden has in 1 season is complete rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Ah but surely "Wuffy Wuffy Wuffy this boy's gotta be in the GP's next season" copyright Pearson and Tatum. Should be able to race on any track? Yeah well, what can you say about some of the stuff they say ................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Yeah well, what can you say about some of the stuff they say ................... At last we agree on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 What is your problem? He performed better for his country than your 2 track specialists, both british. You also compare him to very exceptional talents, which is slightly unfair, considering the experience both riders have compared to Tai. Idiot. If anything, it is the content of your post, that suggests you don't have a clue. Just out of interest why do you feel the need to insult people to emphasise your point? You come across as a poor mans Subedei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 There's some sensible posts on here regarding Tai. Whilst I've got a little carried away about him myself a few times, as he really is an exceptional talent, I think this is a bit of a reality check and a message to us to back off and leave him to it. It's clear to see he could go a long way in the sport but it's also clear he does have a long way to go to get to that standard, I think sometimes some of us think he's already made it. Brilliant prospect and he is worth getting excited for the future about, but I think it's time to take a step back and let him see what he can do without hampering him with too much pressure. Congratulations to Sajfutdinov and also Holder and Pavlic aswell by the way, would be fantastic to see Sajfutdinov over here soon although I don't think he will be over anytime soon tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 At last we agree on something. Although I'm not completely sure that they aren't prompted to spout stuff some of the time by SKY ........ hope I'm not wrong on that one anyways lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 What is your problem? He performed better for his country than your 2 track specialists, both british. You also compare him to very exceptional talents, which is slightly unfair, considering the experience both riders have compared to Tai. Idiot. If anything, it is the content of your post, that suggests you don't have a clue. If you have to ask what my problem is, it's suggestive of the fact there isn't one. He out performed Olly and Steady? WOW! If someone asked me where they ranked in the list of potential World Champions, I'd say nowhere. As potential GP riders, I'd say a long way short and unlikely to ever achieve it and if they did achieve it, make any success of it. I'm missing the relevance of Olly and Steady though and you seem to missing the fact I questioned why Stead was in the SWC team at Brandon and not Tai. Plenty of hype about Nicholls and Harris but what have they achieved NOTHING (Cardiff 2007 HARRIS exception). Both should now be out of the GP's along with a few others.Two more over hyped riders. They are bit part players on the continent. Good second strings, mediocre heatleaders. Yet Brits constantly knock Lee Richardson but he is far superior to both (and all other Brits) in Sweden and Poland but as he's nto the blue eyed boy over here, he can forget it. Ignorance. For British Speedway fans, speedway starts and stops in this Country and they wonder why we're rubbishe in SWC's and GPs!!! I just feel he is getting some unfair criticism from some, when he has no control over this hype he gets. Some people just don't like the lad, its obvious.I'm not criticizing him and I do like him. I'm just trying to point out a few realities. He is realistically only the 12-15th best rider in World at under 21 level so it annoyed me when some claimed after his tapes exclusion he "wasn't bothered" (do you think he wasn't bothered? Don't you think that's an insulting remark to make?) and some people have him down as a GP rider for next season when he's done nothing at all to suggest he could hack it in the GP's. In 3 or 4 years time, I'd expect him to be ready and realistically, I'd say afetr the current two GP riders and Richardson, he is our only hope of GP standard rider in the next 5 seasons. If you were asking what Martin Hagon, Sean Willmott, Olly Allen, Simon Stead, or even Andre Compton had achieved in their 1st 2 seasons then squat diddly, but looking at this and last season, try telling even the dumbest EL Speedway fan that Tais' achievements are nothing special.So they were not in the Gp's at 18 then? In fact, come to think of it who has been? Nobody! So why should Tai be in there when he's done nothing to prove his worth? and thats some odd choice of riders, how many GPs/World Final did they qualify for by right? A handful for Martin Hagon (before my time to give a more exact figure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reckless Eric Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Just a thought. Who the majority of folk would prefer to see in next years g.p. series? The top 3 from this, or the top 3 from that thing in poland. this wouldn't be the thing in poland that Holder and Sajfutdinov didn't qualify for and that pavlik finished tenth in would it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobalinks Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Tai didn't ride at Coventry so we don't know how he would have performed against our track specialists. Also. we're not claiming that Oli Allen and Simon Stead have acheived more than nearly every other rider ever in 1 season so perhaps you shouldn't brand others idiots without being able to conduct a coherent argument with us. Woffinden is a great prospect, yes, but your original post claiming very few have acheived what Woffinden has in 1 season is complete rubbish. I dont know the answers to this question but, name one rider who has acheived more in a single season at the age of 17 in the second tier of speedway. British Finalist 3rd place. Under 21 World Finalist Premier League Riders Champion British U21 Champion SWC Team member. I agree that Tai is not yet ready for the GP's and is getting far too much hype from the media, which will possibly damage (hope not) his progress. But to start knocking the guy after one poor performance in arguably his toughest test yet is unacceptable. After all the reigning World Champion had a stinker at Lonigo last week and if the current World Championship was won over 5 rides in one meeting Nicki Pedersen would be 10th in the world and only marginally better than Lukas Dryml! Get off the guys back and let his progress naturaly develop. Well done to Emil who really is the 'real deal' a truly great acheivement. Wonder what will happen next year in the final at Rye House subject to both Emil and Tai qualifying?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I dont know the answers to this question but, name one rider who has acheived more in a single season at the age of 17 in the second tier of speedway. British Finalist 3rd place. Under 21 World Finalist Premier League Riders Champion British U21 Champion SWC Team member. I agree that Tai is not yet ready for the GP's and is getting far too much hype from the media, which will possibly damage (hope not) his progress. But to start knocking the guy after one poor performance in arguably his toughest test yet is unacceptable. After all the reigning World Champion had a stinker at Lonigo last week and if the current World Championship was won over 5 rides in one meeting Nicki Pedersen would be 10th in the world and only marginally better than Lukas Dryml! Get off the guys back and let his progress naturaly develop. Well done to Emil who really is the 'real deal' a truly great acheivement. Wonder what will happen next year in the final at Rye House subject to both Emil and Tai qualifying?? Emil breezed his semi there last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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