Italian Gp, Lonigo - 27 September 2008

[Trees]

How many times do you see Greg or Leigh on the deck?

You won't find Leigh on the deck very often cos firstly he's a very controlled rider and secondly he doesn't take risks (can't blame him for that though) which is why he won't be world champ.

[Phillip Addison]

If you paid attention you would see that Crump hits the fence with his back wheel at least 50% of the time before he turns in, nothing to do with cutting across.

Perhaps you could remind us of how many Speedway and Longtrack titles you have before you expect us to accept your 'expertise' rather than Tatum's. When you say the 'minority who are correct' I assume you mean like when your Mum told you that you were the only cub scout marching in step

 

Hey this forum is about opinions . I was told beause my opinion and one or two others differed that i needed to go to specsavers so i reserve the right to say most people on here dont know one end of a bike from another, fact. Possibly you are one of them i dont know or maybe you are one of the sheep that follows the latest fashion trend, has to drive a proper car as being told by that fat lump on top gear and believes everything you read in the papers by people who must know better because they have the expertise. I bet your record collection is so safe and dour even. Phil Collins ???? Tatum is poor on sky. If YOU paid attention then YOU would notice his mistakes every week, he doesnt even know the basics, two weeks ago asking why a rider had to be put in one heat when hed only had two rides. Last week he couldnt even tell who the riders were Pearson having to tell him it was a programme error. Maybe he should go to specsavers eh ?

Edited September 29, 2008 by Down in the Park

[Guest Sir Lunchalot]

You won't find Leigh on the deck very often cos firstly he's a very controlled rider and secondly he doesn't take risks (can't blame him for that though) which is why he won't be world champ.

Must admit I was amazed at Leszno the day after the Czech GP to see Adams fall of his own accord in heat 15 when chasing really hard to try and catch the opposing teams leaders when the meeting had been decided by about heat 12 and the last few heats didn't mean much. I even had to check twice to make sure it was Leigh and not someone else with similarly coloured equipment. Maybe he was seeing how hard he could go on a good track in case he decided to try it in the GP's ?

 

Regarding the Gollob / Crump incident (which I didn't see), in reading this topic the majority seem to believe Gollob was rightfully excluded. In my eyes what makes it difficult for the more vociferous posters who always believe they are right and are aggressive and abusive in their approach is that I discount some of what they say because of their "of course I can't be wrong, it's not possible and I'll shout you down if you don't agree with me" attitude and I tend to believe the people I see as more reasonable in their outlook. It may be that the pedants are right (I suppose on the law of averages they must be right some of the time) but how I view their personalities doesn't do them any favours when I'm working out who I believe or not. On what I've read I'm subscribing to the theory that Gollob was correctly treated.

[Subedei]

Regarding the Gollob / Crump incident (which I didn't see), in reading this topic the majority seem to believe Gollob was rightfully excluded. In my eyes what makes it difficult for the more vociferous posters who always believe they are right and are aggressive and abusive in their approach is that I discount some of what they say because of their "of course I can't be wrong, it's not possible and I'll shout you down if you don't agree with me" attitude and I tend to believe the people I see as more reasonable in their outlook. It may be that the pedants are right (I suppose on the law of averages they must be right some of the time) but how I view their personalities doesn't do them any favours when I'm working out who I believe or not. On what I've read I'm subscribing to the theory that Gollob was correctly treated.

 

And yet more typical parochial Australian ignorance.

Ther only people I see here agreeing with the decision are Australian-lovers, Belle Vue supporters and other assorted quarterwits.

Edited September 29, 2008 by Subedei

[Vince]

Hey this forum is about opinions . I was told beause my opinion and one or two others differed that i needed to go to specsavers so i reserve the right to say most people on here dont know one end of a bike from another, fact. Possibly you are one of them i dont know or maybe you are one of the sheep that follows the latest fashion trend, has to drive a proper car as being told by that fat lump on top gear and believes everything you read in the papers by people who must know better because they have the expertise. I bet your record collection is so safe and dour even. Phil Collins ???? Tatum is poor on sky. If YOU paid attention then YOU would notice his mistakes every week, he doesnt even know the basics, two weeks ago asking why a rider had to be put in one heat when hed only had two rides. Last week he couldnt even tell who the riders were Pearson having to tell him it was a programme error. Maybe he should go to specsavers eh ?

 

But we are not talking about expertise in filling a programme or rules and regulations in this case are we? We are talking about expertise in riding a bike and understanding what has happened in a racing incident. As for knowing one end of a bike from the other I would consider that I do having ridden competitvely in various disciplines for more than 30 years, as a rider though I was never at anything like Tatum's level and would bow to his vast experience and knowledge in situations like this. You never did tell us about your riding experience in comparison to Tatum's

I never told you to go to specsavers I just pointed out that your statement that Crump was proven to have cut across because he came off the fence was completely wrong.

[Subedei]

This would be the Tatum who originally opined that "Adams moved out and would be lucky to get away with it" after the clash with Nicki P at Cradiff only to change his mind when others voiced a differing opinion and then castigated the referee for the rest of the meeting and the next Sky meeting and the one after that and the one after that. I watched Kelvin Tatum MBE ride, he wasn't in the same league as a genius like Gollob. He was just a gate and go merchant.

[norbold]

And yet more typical parochial Australian ignorance.

Ther only people I see here agreeing with the decision are Australian-lovers, Belle Vue supporters and other assorted quarterwits.

Send them all to the Welsh gulags, Sub. If they disagree with you they must be quarterwits. It's obvious, as you are the fount of all knowledge and wisdom. And anyone who dares to disagree must end their days in the gulags.

[Dietbowers]

Send them all to the Welsh gulags, Sub. If they disagree with you they must be quarterwits. It's obvious, as you are the fount of all knowledge and wisdom. And anyone who dares to disagree must end their days in the gulags.

The trouble is all the Welsh gulags would soon be overfilled

And it looks as though I will have a head start on the rest of you,as I`m based in Wales anyway.

The referee was spot on Saturday.

 

[iris123]

The trouble is all the Welsh gulags would soon be overfilled

And it looks as though I will have a head start on the rest of you,as I`m based in Wales anyway.

The referee was spot on Saturday.

Surely you would get let off then.You have had a lifetime of punishment already.

[Dietbowers]

Surely you would get let off then.You have had a lifetime of punishment already.

Not really,now,if I was to live in England,that would be punishment

 

[Guest Sir Lunchalot]

And yet more typical parochial Australian ignorance.

Ther only people I see here agreeing with the decision are Australian-lovers, Belle Vue supporters and other assorted quarterwits.

Nice. I always know when you are weakening because out comes the abuse. Doesn't worry me in the least.

 

Lets list the assorted quarterwits, Australian lovers, and Belle Vue supporters from this topic

 

Rob B

Paulco

From KC to PC

Lupus

Hector

Liontamer

Brit Pete

Adam 74

Macca56

Bryn

Gemini

Superace

Lucifer Sam

Seb The Snail

Cornishfisherman

Humphrey Appleby

Ashie Smashy

spook

Big Fat Dave

Star Lady

Vince

salty

Silver Bee

home straight

norbold

Budgie

Sir Jasper

tigerblues

screm

frigbo

Mark

Dietbowers

Drop a cog

Tsunami

TonyE

Addy

Jenn

severnsider

 

and the unbiased judges

 

Subedei (Polish avatar)

Mateusz (Polish avatar)

Ghostwalker

PolskiZuzel (Polish avatar)

Down In The Park

richsimpson

schumi (I think, hope I'm not putting words in her mouth here)

 

The Subedei freak show that is speedway's answer to David Koresh is on a hiding to nothing on this one.

[Subedei]

The Subedei freak show that is speedway's answer to David Koresh is on a hiding to nothing on this one.

 

Oh how very fitting from an Admin. Going to give yourself a warning for that, are you?

All in all a comment that really just proves my point and shows how ill-suited you are to being an administrator. No doubt you'll soon be exercising your power or crying to Phil looking to get me banned. All rather pathetic, which rather sums you up.

 

[norbold]

The most notable thing in your list, Sir Lunchy, is that Tsunami and I agree. In my view that proves it!

 

Still, you have to laugh at Subedei calling other people pathetic...

[Subedei]

Still, you have to laugh at Subedei calling other people pathetic...

 

Says a Trotskyite.

[norbold]

The correct term is Trotskyist, but then I suppose someone who thinks he is a medieval Mongolian wouldn't be too au fait with modern terminology.

[wjm]

Gollob took Crump of any one who doesn't think that is deluded or just seeking attention

[Subedei]

The correct term is Trotskyist, but then I suppose someone who thinks he is a medieval Mongolian wouldn't be too au fait with modern terminology.

 

Still, what happened to Trotsky? Out witted by Stalin. He can't have been very good, can he? Stalin is a titan of history, Trotsky a footnote; so the terminology is as irrelevent as Trotsky himself.

 

Gollob took Crump of any one who doesn't think that is deluded or just seeking attention

 

Nonsense. But that's really par for the course from you.

 

[SUPERACE]

Lonigo is one of those tracks that needs a bit more thought than most, lots of different lines but few are what you would call ‘conventional’ when compared to other tracks.

 

PC and Mort won their World Pairs title there against the might of Denmark, Nielsen and Gundersen where sharing the individual title between themselves at the time but didn’t have the nous to cope while the Belle Vue lads sussed it to clinch another World title for The Aces and England.

 

We should have seen another victory for an Aces rider last night but the bike problems that have dogged Crumpy all season appeared yet again to rob him of a well deserved win.

 

No real controversy as the referee was absolutely correct in all his calls although he was ultra predictable at the start letting the tapes go very quickly in each heat. That led to plenty of movement at the tapes as the riders anticipated another ‘green light go’ start.

 

Nicholls was mugged by Gollob in his first race as the pole threw a dummy and Nicholls fell for it in style.

 

Pedersen was unlucky to be wiped out in his first ride but if you turn hard left to deliberately block an opponent and that opponent is unable to stop, an accident is almost inevitable.

 

His antics against Crumpy were a replay of his cheating at Cardiff but this time, apart from a couple of balloons on here, it didn’t fool anyone.

 

His interview towards the end was sour grapes in extremis and frankly despite being incredible this season he is in danger of being the most unpopular winner since Jimmy Savile and that is saying something.

 

Your right Drop a cog this is not what you expect from a World Champion. How he can he talk of fair play afte the British GP what a CHEEK.

 

As for his comment about JC starting to drop the bike before gollob hit him Ive watched it about 10 times and its clear that he didnt move until he was hit, but how the hell could he drop it before he was hit as he was in front and looking forward?

Pedersen owes JC an apology as his comments were a disgrace.

Edited September 29, 2008 by SUPERACE

[wjm]

Nonsense. But that's really par for the course from you.

 

 

Constructive as always

[Subedei]

Constructive as always

 

More constructive than you. But that's not jolly hard, is it?

Edited September 29, 2008 by Subedei