f-s-p Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Congrats to Kenneth.Good to see him get his chance after being unlucky last year thanks to getting poleaxed by Lindgren Pity Niels missed out as he isn't doing too bad this year. Did anyone see what happened to Sullivan in his last? He had all the right Gods behind him at Terenzano to qualify, just wondered if he used all his luck there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 With the way the qualifiers have gone, you will be looking at Harris and Lindgren getting 2 of the wildcards. If Nicholls qualifies, I can see Holder getting picked. Hampel will have to beg for one now Walasek and Ulamek are in, but he would be my choice for the 4th and final WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Never in the history of sport has a competition calling itself a World Championship offered so FEW chances of "qualification"...!!! What about Moto GP or Formula 1? Or the restricted places in qualifying for the Cricket or Rugby League World Cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 What about Moto GP or Formula 1? Or the restricted places in qualifying for the Cricket or Rugby League World Cup? Or Rallying or just about any other motor sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_D Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Did anyone see what happened to Sullivan in his last? He had all the right Gods behind him at Terenzano to qualify, just wondered if he used all his luck there. It looked like he gated 1st, either caught a bump or had an engine failure and skated across the track and clicked the fence and fell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 It looked like he gated 1st, either caught a bump or had an engine failure and skated across the track and clicked the fence and fell. So it was a first bend incident? I was just talking to a friend that Sullivan was actually close to winning the world title back in -03. If he had qualified for next year, he'd had deserved it, but he shouldn't be even considered for a wild card in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_D Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 So it was a first bend incident? I was just talking to a friend that Sullivan was actually close to winning the world title back in -03. If he had qualified for next year, he'd had deserved it, but he shouldn't be even considered for a wild card in 2009. 2nd bend. I think the GP challenge should be modified to include the GP finishers No7-No15 They meet the top 7 from a GP challenge semi and the top 4 go to the GP's and IMG then nominate 5 of their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) not a good meeting but thanks to all who organised it and the collection for kim jansson was excellant how much did we get? Edited September 16, 2008 by bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkif Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 not a good meeting but thanks to all who organised it and the collection for kim jansson was excellant how much did we get? We got about £130 on the bus, and did another collection at the airport. Think we hit about £200 in total. WVSH will be able to come on and confirm once its all tallied up and changed to English! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From PC to KC. Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 People need to realise that Walasek is a number one in Poland and not the same rider we see over here in the UK struggling around on a 5-6 point average. In Poland he is a serious force to be reckoned with. of course he won't make much of a dent in the GP series but he isn't as bad as many envisage. But Falcace makes some interesting points. It's very hard for a youngster to come in and compete at this very top level against the old boys. Not only have the oldies (Crump, Adams, Hancock, Gollob) got a great team in place but they also keep themselves safe and fit. They can go on for years at this level by playing their safe hands. For a youngster to step up and be consistent is almost impossible without hyge backing. Sure they can make a dent ( Lindback almost got there on a couple of occassions and should have won a GP at Daugvapils) but the amount needed to compete competitively throughout a whole GO season is far more than these young lads can possibly earn through points money alone. There are riders out there who do have the ability to make the breakthrough, but more than skill on a bike is needed. Holder is the obvious candidate but he has already said he just doesn't have the financial resources in place to compete in 2009. If offered a place I doubt he would turn it down, but he probably wouldn't do as well as he would lie with his gear and team stretched to the limit. Same goes for the other youngsters. Nicki Pedersen is dominating the series as much as TRick did a few years ago. There is no one in the current GP field who can live with him on a consistent basis, so he is realistically going to win the GP series at least two more times before he starts to slip back into the field/someone comes up to challange him. The days of a Michael Lee/boy wonder coming into the GP series and winning the WC are long gone. Consistency is king and to be consistent means a big back up team, lots experience, and lots of money. And only the old boys have that. There is always another Usain Bolt just around the corner, you just have to be patient. They will most likely come from another form of Motorsport, ie someone not quite good enough for MotoX, or roadracing who try,s their hand at Speedway and finds they have a natural talent for it, and their progress is rapid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witches Vs Hammers Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 not a good meeting but thanks to all who organised it and the collection for kim jansson was excellant how much did we get? We got about £130 on the bus, and did another collection at the airport. Think we hit about £200 in total. WVSH will be able to come on and confirm once its all tallied up and changed to English! Firstly I would to thank the boys at the back of the bus on the way back from Zielona Gora for the idea of Kim's collection and everyone who contributed to it on the bus and at the airport. I have just been sorting it out and counting it up. We raised around 660 zlotys, 20 Euros and 45 pounds . Once it is all changed into Pounds, I will come back and annouce how much we raised in total, but we hope it will be in the region of £200. Thanks again to everyone who contributed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish t Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Amazingly people cite nominations as a farce and urge qualification, then these same numptys are saying it is a shambles that these riders qualify and they make a mockery of the GP, make your mind up. To my mind this GP challenge only adds weight to the arguement in favour of nominations, we could end up back with the farce of the old world finals with two thirds of the field just making up numbers and world class riders sitting in the stands watching them Well said totaly agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 There is always another Usain Bolt just around the corner, you just have to be patient. I'll reserve judgement on whether Bolt is the real thing or simply has an oversized engine which will be picked up over the next 4 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I'll reserve judgement on whether Bolt is the real thing or simply has an oversized engine which will be picked up over the next 4 years A bit off topic but... Due to the disaster in nordic skiing doping has been the topic of all topics in Finland for years now. Currently Kari-Pekka Kyrö (who took most of the blame during the Lahti fiasko) has surfaced again and is naming people and telling it how it is and how it was. His main argument is, that the talents of the world, such as Usain Bolt is, are very few. And since 95 % of all athletes are on dope, why should the talented one's be clean. Kyrö's main argument here is that by using doping they give themselves the chance to rise to the same level that the less talented are (who are using). Ato Boldon was quoted saying during the Olympics that when he was on his peak, he used 44-46? steps to run 100m. Bolt is now apparently on 40-42... Which of course is an advantage and a mark of something special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Amazingly people cite nominations as a farce and urge qualification, then these same numptys are saying it is a shambles that these riders qualify and they make a mockery of the GP, make your mind up. To my mind this GP challenge only adds weight to the arguement in favour of nominations, we could end up back with the farce of the old world finals with two thirds of the field just making up numbers and world class riders sitting in the stands watching them Having both qualification and nominations is frankly perverse. If they are to have nominations, then these should be used for riders who failed to qualify though exceptional cercumstances such as missing several GPs though injury or for riders like Holder who had two EFs in the qualification or Batchelor who missed a round though injury (these two are just examples, before people take offence at individual riders). The nominations should not be a Get-Out-of-Jail Free card for GP riders who don't take part in the qualifiers and then fail to make the top 8. The riders who have made it though the qualifiers have done so on merit. Ulamek, Walasek and Bjerre can only beat what's in front of them on the day and if Harris, Holta, Lindgren et al choose not to take part then it should be their loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Just a fresh thought on this debate. Has the GP Challange ever been in the UK? And if not...why not? Shouldn't the BSPA be doing our guys a favour and bringing this meeting over here on home turf? It's not as if it's the sort of meeting that would struggle to attract a crowd either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Just a fresh thought on this debate. Has the GP Challange ever been in the UK? And if not...why not? Shouldn't the BSPA be doing our guys a favour and bringing this meeting over here on home turf? It's not as if it's the sort of meeting that would struggle to attract a crowd either... Poole 2003 when Povazhny organised Dryml and Karlsson to the hospital and giving a helping hand to Laukkanen (who qualified) and Kylmäkorpi (1st reserve of the meeting to 1st reserve of the series -04). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Just a fresh thought on this debate. Has the GP Challange ever been in the UK? And if not...why not? Shouldn't the BSPA be doing our guys a favour and bringing this meeting over here on home turf? It's not as if it's the sort of meeting that would struggle to attract a crowd either... According to the Speedway Star, should it survive in the calendar, the final is set for these shores next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 According to the Speedway Star, should it survive in the calendar, the final is set for these shores next season. Although of course the Spar has not always been reliable with respect to where FIM events will be held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Poole 2003 when Povazhny organised Dryml and Karlsson to the hospital and giving a helping hand to Laukkanen (who qualified) and Kylmäkorpi (1st reserve of the meeting to 1st reserve of the series -04). Ah yes..now I remember. Certainly sounds like it is due to return to the UK then. Fingers crossed it does because that will be the best chance our lads have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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