Chris Holder For Gp

[Subedei]

lol and a gp win in 04 should have very little to do with it................ on that basis Mr Subedei it seems you think Bomber should be given a wild card for next season following his Cardiff win in 07

 

Certainly Harris should get a nomination ahead of someone who has scored fewer points than him and hasn't won a GP.

 

[Trees]

chris will attempt to qualify like all the other riders in 2009.

Of course, but he might be given a berth anyways, would he take it, surely he would?

[sunnset]

I won't be going to Cardiff next year as i will be away on holiday,

I say this because if a brit doesn't get nominated and only have the wild card for the night i would still go, if not on holiday.

 

This year i have been to Sweden twice and Cardiff and although i ALWAYS want the brits to do well i also shout for Freddie and NKI (being a wolves fan).

 

I think that beacuse the GP stars ride in the UK people would still go to the GP's if there was no Brit in it.

 

Belle Vue fans i bet you want Jason to do well in the GP's and would go and watch him.

Lakeside Fans you would cheer for AJ in the GP's

Poole fans you would shout for Bjarne.

 

What i am getting at here is that because you support your rider everyweek, i think most people would then go to the GP to support them even if no Brits were there?

 

Maybe i am wrong but i am still going to go to Sweden next year, If there are some Brits i hope they will do well, but i would also hope that if Wolves had a GP star in their team i would hope they did well.

[Blazeaway]

All the other riders except a certain Brit who'll be relying on his yearly nomination?

 

 

Which one might that be?

[Ron Butler]

I won't be going to Cardiff next year as i will be away on holiday,

I say this because if a brit doesn't get nominated and only have the wild card for the night i would still go, if not on holiday.

 

This year i have been to Sweden twice and Cardiff and although i ALWAYS want the brits to do well i also shout for Freddie and NKI (being a wolves fan).

 

I think that because the GP stars ride in the UK people would still go to the GPs if there was no Brit in it.

 

Belle Vue fans i bet you want Jason to do well in the GP's and would go and watch him.

Lakeside Fans you would cheer for AJ in the GP's

Poole fans you would shout for Bjarne.

 

What I am getting at here is that because you support your rider every week, I think most people would then go to the GP to support them even if no Brits were there?

 

Maybe i am wrong but i am still going to go to Sweden next year, If there are some Brits i hope they will do well, but i would also hope that if Wolves had a GP star in their team i would hope they did well.

 

I feel that those two comments sum up the situation accurately and succinctly, Sunnset.

 

[kaybtee]

i started this thread about chris holder for gp. what i would like to know is.the top eight qualify for next year automatically. then you have the ones who came through the qualifiers.my question is who picks the other riders is it the individual countries or the gp commitee?and are they chosen on a nationality or an ability criteria.sometimes i am amazed at the decisions they make

[Ron Butler]

i started this thread about chris holder for gp. what i would like to know is.the top eight qualify for next year automatically. then you have the ones who came through the qualifiers.my question is who picks the other riders is it the individual countries or the gp commitee?and are they chosen on a nationality or an ability criteria.sometimes i am amazed at the decisions they make

 

Do you mean, Keith, by ability criteria or by an ability criterion. I'm a tad confused as criteria = plural whereas criterion = singular. Perhaps you would clarify this for a confused old codger.

 

Thanks.

 

Ron.

 

[J_D]

I would expect unless he qualifys through the challenges he will have to wait until either Crump or Adams retires.

[LisaColette]

I would expect unless he qualifys through the challenges he will have to wait until either Crump or Adams retires.

 

don't agree with that. i think he has a good chance of getting picked.

[salty]

To be honest, reading the Speedway Star over the past couple of weeks it does appear that Holder is a shoo in for 2009, barring any other machinations.

[schumi]

I would expect unless he qualifys through the challenges he will have to wait until either Crump or Adams retires.

As has already been said on this thread, it won't be next year as he's already out of the qualifiers, so the only way in for him is with a nomination. That said, I do think he should have his chance. He's already proved he can beat some of the top GP riders here in the league, and he was plagued by mechanical problems during his qualifying round.

Edited August 29, 2008 by fluffy

[home straight]

Personally, I don't like the wildcard sytem, and believe that it devalues the GP series to such an extent that it shouldn't be advertised as the "World Championship". It would be more accurate to call it a "two bit invitational series"

 

In my opinion, Chris Holder would be better to wait and try to qualify again next year. It'll give him another years experience, and another years worth of resource behind him, and, should he qualify for the 2010 series he'll be able to make a serious attempt at top 8.

 

 

[Trees]

Personally, I don't like the wildcard sytem, and believe that it devalues the GP series to such an extent that it shouldn't be advertised as the "World Championship". It would be more accurate to call it a "two bit invitational series"

hehehe, don't forget it could get worse still unless the FIM step in!

[Chris Brown]

i dont dislike richardson but i dont think he has the bottle for hard GP racing he seems timid in EL racing so i cant ever see him challenging the likes of pedersen,andersen ,crump etc in gp races

 

Many would agree but if he gets in by qualification then he will have an absoluite right to be there. The qualifiers are there to help people who want to try to get in to the GP series the correct way get in. Those who don't bother banking on the Britishness getting them in should not be in with a shout.

 

 

[spook]

To be honest, reading the Speedway Star over the past couple of weeks it does appear that Holder is a shoo in for 2009, barring any other machinations.

 

Chris Holder will not get a wildcard if Ryan Sullivan qualifies .............. sad but true ... and im willing to eat my hat if it isnt the case *looks for smallest hat*

 

 

[Steve Shovlar]

Todays echo.

 

Holder: World can wait

By Phil Chard

 

CHRIS Holder believes he won't be ready for the Grand Prix until 2010 at the earliest.

 

Pirates' chiefs Neil Middleditch and Matt Ford have been publicly promoting the young gun's cause to be awarded World Championship status next year.

 

But the modest Aussie has played down talk he should be given one of four seeded places for 2009.

 

Holder, however, admitted he'd love the chance to pit his wits against the best as a one-off wild card.

 

It's just the 20-year-old Poole Castle Cover rider, who Ford tipped as a future world champion two years ago, genuinely doesn't believe he's ready for regularly GP racing.

 

Holder, who has boosted his chances of receiving a wild card this year by producing a storming debut Elite League campaign, said: "It's alright to beat a GP guy now and then, but they go up to a different level in the GPs.

 

"It's not easy racing regularly at that level, and I'm not interested if I do or not at the moment."

 

As flattered as he is by Middlo's and Ford's comments that he is ready for World Championship action, Holder added: "You need to spend a lot more time and money to be competitive in the GP and I don't think I'll be that competitive yet.

 

"I might win a couple of races but I don't think I can spend all that money. It's probably better to wait a couple of years and hopefully get in it then.

 

"If they wanted to give me a wild card I would take it. I'd snap their hand off. But to do the whole GP would be very hard because I still don't have a set up to do that."

 

Holder, who showed Swindon's Leigh Adams his back wheel at Poole on Wednesday, is flattered by Middlo's and Ford's comments that he is ready for GP competition.

 

But he's determined not to get carried away, although his long-term aim is bound to become individual world champion.

 

With that in mind, Holder confirmed he would defend his Australian title over three rounds this winter.

 

He said: "I'm definitely going back to race in the series because you have to finish in the top three to get into the GP qualifiers."

 

Holder, who won all five Aussie rounds last winter, said: "I don't think many people realise how hard the Aussie title can be.

 

"There are a lot of home track specialists who are so good around their tracks.

 

"Freddie Lindgren didn't make the rostrum once in the five rounds last winter. Just because people don't know some of the riders' names, it's not easy.

 

"It's not as hard as some championships but it's still tough."

 

 

[SUPERACE]

I agree with Chris next year is too soon.

[Trees]

"If they wanted to give me a wild card I would take it. I'd snap their hand off. But to do the whole GP would be very hard because I still don't have a set up to do that."

Well sounds as if he'd put up with a bit of struggling given the chance haha ............... good luck to him, hope he doesn't spread himself too thin though!

[HenryW]

Personally, I don't like the wildcard sytem, and believe that it devalues the GP series to such an extent that it shouldn't be advertised as the "World Championship". It would be more accurate to call it a "two bit invitational series"

The fact that there ARE qualifiers for the SGP series makes it an anomaly in the World of top level motorsports.

 

Do you similarly dismiss the merits of the championships of F1, MotoGP, WSB, WRC, etc?

 

Much as I do appreciate the availability of the spaces in the SGP for qualifiers, invariably over the years any of the guys who come through the qualification rounds perform worse than the guys that get given the wildcard slots...and that's not really surprising. The qualifying final is a single metting, so it encourages the qualification of lucky riders and track specialists at the venue where the final is held.

 

I would actually support a change to a system where no qualifying rounds were held, but the bottom seven in the GP series were thrown in with 9 selected riders and forced to race at least 2 or 3 rounds to determine who would get the places for the next SGP series. Even better would be to have this qualifying series using the old SGP format with 24 riders, to give an even bigger spread of selections.

 

Chris Holder will not get a wildcard if Ryan Sullivan qualifies .............. sad but true ... and im willing to eat my hat if it isnt the case *looks for smallest hat*

I think your hat is safe...Not because what you say isn't true, but because Ryan will probably not get through at ZG.

Of course, I'll be there shouting my loudest for him in the hope that he does (because I like Sully, not because I don't want Holder in the SGP)

 

Actually, I just looked up his form at ZG....Maybe Ryan will make it

Edited August 30, 2008 by HenryW

[home straight]

Do you similarly dismiss the merits of the championships of F1, MotoGP, WSB, WRC, etc?

 

I fail to see how any event can be termed "The World Championship" when actually it's a closed shop. Surely it can only be termed the world championship when all the competitors are there because they have qualified through open qualifying rounds.

 

Don't get me wrong, at the end of the GP series the guy who wins is probably the best rider in the world, and I'm not tryingto take anything away from those guys. I just feel that the only way to hold a "world championship" with any integrity is to do away with wildcards and make people qualify on merit.