Chris Holder For Gp

[flagrag]

There will definitly be two Brits in GP series in 2009 due to two main reasons Sky Sports and Cardiff. Sky are one three key broadcasters in the GP series and the new 5 year deal that was completed last year means they will want to have two riders to give their full time backing to and also to maintain the high viewing figures they have been getting as if nit they will start to lose the casual viewwers who look out just for the British guys.

 

2nd reason Cardiff it would be a nightmare to promote with just one rider and a wild card as I say that wild cards probaly do not add that many onto the gate and also you would lose that atmosphere when the Brits ride.

 

On Holder from what i have heard it is all but confirmed that he will be in the 2009 series and just needs approving at the end of the season.

[Blazeaway]

With all due respect to Woffinden he is obviously not yet ready. He needs to move up and do a year in the EL. If he manages to average around 9 then he is worth putting in the gPs.

 

Holder on the other hand is a bit of a one off. He has adapted to the EL like a fish to water, is going around equalling track records and would be a serious threat in the GP series. Far too early for him to win it but he wouldn't be a straggler either. His current ability could even se him make some semis.

 

Nationality shouldn't play a part but it does, due to the TV audience. With Australia not taking the GPs live, I doubt he would stroll into a berth, but BSI are not blind and do want the best riders in the world taking part in their show. Holder is more than capable of kisking the butts of the bottom half of the field.It would be a travesty if he isn't one of he permament wild cards in 2009.

 

 

Reminds me of a certain Todd Wiltshire. National League reserve to third in the world in about three years.

 

Is that kissing or kicking?

Edited August 27, 2008 by Blazeaway

[Seb the Snail]

I agree that Holder should definitely be a Wild Card for 2009, and don't think that Nationality should come into it one bit. The 15 permanent riders in the series should be the best 15 riders in the world, and if that doesn't include a Brit then it's fine by me. Quite frankly, at the moment, I don't think that it does.

[SPEEDY69]

holder has to be in gps as i said on another thread he would be in top 8 easily maybe even top 5 hes that good

 

Trouble is, Holder was not good enough to get through the GP qualifying and was knocked out earlier this year. By all means nominate him but as for every nominated rider, there are others who have just missed qualification that could rightly feel aggrieved.

 

Having said that, the qualifiers through the rounds for this years GP haven't really set it alight either - Dryml, Kasprzak, Pedersen?

[Subedei]

Having said that, the qualifiers through the rounds for this years GP haven't really set it alight either - Dryml, Kasprzak, Pedersen?

 

That would be Dryml, Pedersen and Iversen. Kasprzak was a nominated rider, alongside Lindgren, Jonsson and Harris.

 

[Ron Butler]

There will definitly be two Brits in GP series in 2009 due to two main reasons Sky Sports and Cardiff. Sky are one three key broadcasters in the GP series and the new 5 year deal that was completed last year means they will want to have two riders to give their full time backing to and also to maintain the high viewing figures they have been getting as if nit they will start to lose the casual viewwers who look out just for the British guys.

 

2nd reason Cardiff it would be a nightmare to promote with just one rider and a wild card as I say that wild cards probaly do not add that many onto the gate and also you would lose that atmosphere when the Brits ride.

 

On Holder from what i have heard it is all but confirmed that he will be in the 2009 series and just needs approving at the end of the season.

 

Sorry, Flagrag, I don't understand that particular phrase. Could you please clarify your meaning?

 

Thank you.

 

[sean blyth]

totally agree. why should holder not be picked just cos the aussies have good riders. if none of the brits are good enough then they shouldn't be there.

 

none of the brits are good enough to be in gps, why is nicholls still in it hes never done anything and doesn`t bring anything to it TBH

 

 

chris holder is so much better then any other brit, woffinden is our best hope but hell never be as good as holder IMO

 

if holder was in gps he would be top 5 now and world champ in 2 years

 

 

 

[sean blyth]

Trouble is, Holder was not good enough to get through the GP qualifying and was knocked out earlier this year

 

only cos he had bike problems otherwise he would definately be in it

 

 

holder world class already

[flagrag]

Sorry I should have read it properly before posting - What I meant to say is that Sky are one of three key host broadcasters for the GP series along with Canal + Poland and Canal + Scandinavia the money these 3 brands pay for the GP rights means that they get a certain amount of input into the series including full time wild card places. Especially now IMG are the owners money and contracts mean more than the riders

[Subedei]

Sorry I should have read it properly before posting - What I meant to say is that Sky are one of three key host broadcasters for the GP series along with Canal + Poland and Canal + Scandinavia the money these 3 brands pay for the GP rights means that they get a certain amount of input into the series including full time wild card places. Especially now IMG are the owners money and contracts mean more than the riders

 

So, it's not really a serious competition, is that what you're saying?

[spook]

There is a big point being missed here so far and that is that BSI rarely (never?) give a wild card to a 'nation' who already have 3 riders in the competition..........but there is nothing they can do if a '4th' rider qualifies...................... so if Ryan Sullivan qualifies as of right I think that Chris Holder is likely to be left out ...... if Flyin Ryan doesnt make it then i'd say that Chris Holder has a great chance of being given a wildcard

 

While the 'quota' system makes a certain amount of sound business sense it can only go so far and this might be put to the test if Bomber and Scotty continue to drift off the pace ............ I cant remember when BSI gave a wildcard to someone who was behind in GP points to someone they didnt give a wild card to

 

I think that there are 3 outstanding candidates for wildcards who arent already in the competition...... Hampel, Sajfutdinov and Holder........ add these to the 3 qualifiers and that leaves 2 wild cards from the GP field ........ atm that would be Lindgren.... and the final spot a test of BSI quota policy with the question of whether they would give one to a brit or to Iversen who is above them in points...... unless Iversen makes it easy for them by qualifying

 

One thing is for sure... things are starting to look grim for Dryml, Kaprzak, Bjarne, Bomber and Scotty

 

re: Tai....... judging by his SWC performance the guy will attack anything head on and give a good account of himself..... but even then his standard wouldnt be the biggest thing holding him back...... it is having the infrastructure and finances in place to tackle the GP's......... he isnt even sure if he will be stepping up to the EL next season so the GP's would be very unlikely

[Subedei]

I cant remember when BSI gave a wildcard to someone who was behind in GP points to someone they didnt give a wild card to

 

At the end of the 2005 season Hans Andersen was above Lee Richardson, but Richardson got the nomination and Andersen didn't. Best thing that ever happened to Andersen and one of the worst that happened to Richardson, in speedway terms. Andersen had to address his failure and show his desire to compete at the highest level, Richardson spent the next season (2006) being humiliated on a regular basis.

 

[spook]

Quite true

 

Do I vaguely remember some controversial and critical comments made by Hans that led to that decision?

[Subedei]

Quite true

 

Do I vaguely remember some controversial and critical comments made by Hans that led to that decision?

 

Yes, you do remember correctly. And he had a point, here's the table:

 

http://www.speedwayworld.tv/en/sgpchamp

 

Andersen was 9 points up on Richardson and had a GP win in the bag from 2004. Still, worked out well for Andersen. Gave him the required kick to get his career back on track, while the "favoured" British riders, such as Richardson and the global superstar have drifted. Richardson sank and it looks like the global superstar is taking in water faster than the Titanic.

 

[spook]

And he had a point

 

what point?

 

I dont remember his comments being made after the wild cards had been picked ..... I remember comments criticising the way the gp's were run before the wildcards were picked

 

ie nothing to do with Rico or Rico being picked over him.............. yes he made comments following that but we are discussing the only case of someone being passed over for someone with lower points and the possible reasons why

 

lol and a gp win in 04 should have very little to do with it................ on that basis Mr Subedei it seems you think Bomber should be given a wild card for next season following his Cardiff win in 07

 

 

edit:

I think that there are 3 outstanding candidates for wildcards who arent already in the competition...... Hampel, Sajfutdinov and Holder........ add these to the 3 qualifiers and that leaves 2 wild cards from the GP field

 

and my maths dont add up .... looks like I'd forgotten that each GP has a wildcard for the night so things are even more tense for Freddie, NKI, and the Brits

 

 

Edited August 27, 2008 by spook

[Pollyanna]

Trouble is, Holder was not good enough to get through the GP qualifying and was knocked out earlier this year. By all means nominate him but as for every nominated rider, there are others who have just missed qualification that could rightly feel aggrieved.

 

Having said that, the qualifiers through the rounds for this years GP haven't really set it alight either - Dryml, Kasprzak, Pedersen?

 

I don't think it's a case of "not being good enough", to be honest. He had a nightmare of a qualifier, with two efs and an exclusion, which was deemed unfair by those who were there (and post on here). His other two races he won, but too late then!

If he doesn't get a Wild Card for 2009, am sure he will qualify next year for 2010. Chris is still only 20 years old and has time on his side.

[Ron Butler]

Sorry I should have read it properly before posting - What I meant to say is that Sky are one of three key host broadcasters for the GP series along with Canal + Poland and Canal + Scandinavia the money these 3 brands pay for the GP rights means that they get a certain amount of input into the series including full time wild card places. Especially now IMG are the owners money and contracts mean more than the riders

 

Thank you, Flagrag. My two remaining little grey cells are grateful for the enlightenment you have bestowed upon them!

 

[sliderman]

chris will attempt to qualify like all the other riders in 2009.

[salty]

Quite true

 

Do I vaguely remember some controversial and critical comments made by Hans that led to that decision?

Not entirely sure, but I think Hans had the temerity to criticise some aspect of the GP series (it might have been track preparation, it might have been ref decisions, can't quite remember). Come nomination time he found a rider below him in the standings getting a spot instead of him. Most riders have towed the public line since that lesson was handed out.

[tigerblues]

chris will attempt to qualify like all the other riders in 2009.

All the other riders except a certain Brit who'll be relying on his yearly nomination?