kaybtee Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. Why? Prefer to watch Holder than some of the British options TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. He deserves a GP provided he qualifies for the GP series through the qualificatin rounds which of course he is trying to do Its questionable whether he has done enough on the world stage to gain a wildcard Although I would agree he has more right than any rider outside the top 10 who was arrogant enough not to even bother with the qualification process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 He deserves a GP provided he qualifies for the GP series through the qualificatin rounds which of course he is trying to do Except that he's already been knocked out. No Chris Holder at Zielona Gora for the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Why? Prefer to watch Holder than some of the British options TBH. totally agree. why should holder not be picked just cos the aussies have good riders. if none of the brits are good enough then they shouldn't be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. But here is the ultimate manifestation of the entitlement culture that blights British speedway. It doesn't matter that the British riders aren't good enough to be in the GPs. They're entitled to be there. And that's that. Doesn't keithb see that it makes a mockery of the world championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Has there ever been an Aussie pick for the GP's? Something is telling me Crump a few years back but I'm not sure. There is no GP in Oz which is why I'm guessing there hasn't been an Aussie pick as yet. Holder should change that IMO along with Sadjfutinov (sp)he should be in next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. Jingoistic nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. Sorry, what? Adams and Crump are both in the top 8 and both fully deserve their (earned) GP places. As and when (I'd give him a shot next year but I've spoken to some who think it's too early - each to their own) Holder is ready it should be at the expense of a rider who has not earned their GP place and owing to some truly dire performances this year, Scott Nicholls and Chris Harris could be two such riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. I disagree, Keith, with your implied assumption that nomination [qualification] should be based on the nationality of a rider. Surely it should be decided solely on the estimated ability of the rider given the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Why? Prefer to watch Holder than some of the British options TBH. exactly... apart from woffinden who if it not carefull is gonna start to feel all the pressure and now expectations put on the poor kid,is worth watching in a gp more than holder? with due respect kennett? richardson?nicholls? i dont think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 With all due respect to Woffinden he is obviously not yet ready. He needs to move up and do a year in the EL. If he manages to average around 9 then he is worth putting in the gPs. Holder on the other hand is a bit of a one off. He has adapted to the EL like a fish to water, is going around equalling track records and would be a serious threat in the GP series. Far too early for him to win it but he wouldn't be a straggler either. His current ability could even se him make some semis. Nationality shouldn't play a part but it does, due to the TV audience. With Australia not taking the GPs live, I doubt he would stroll into a berth, but BSI are not blind and do want the best riders in the world taking part in their show. Holder is more than capable of kisking the butts of the bottom half of the field. It would be a travesty if he isn't one of he permament wild cards in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Not so sure it would be a "travesty"- lets face it he did have the chance to qualify and failed. But depending on who qualifies for next year it is always possible that politics might stop Holder getting a Wildcard - which would be wrong. For example, if, and it might be a big if, Ryan Sullivan qualifies from Zielona Gora then Holder might find it more difficult to overcome the feeling that 4 Aussies in the Series would be 1 to many. I thought it was interesting to read in last weeks Speedway Star (on a page which had Phillip Rising's byline) that the names Holder, Safutdinov and Pavlic were definitely in the frame for nominations. Given Rising's links to the Gp series it is likely he has his finger on the pulse. The Speedway Star, however, has also in the past mentioned the determination to have 2 Brits in the Series, which might also cause difficulties with the nominations. Personally I would prefer to see Holder or Safutdinov have a go instead of any Brit as I reckon that either of the former would make more impact than any of the latter. Not really worth worrying about the nominations until we know the 11 who have qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Rico could well qualify yet if he's in the mood on the day. It's a track he knows well, but sadly, Walaseks even more likely to capitalise on his track knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 i dont dislike richardson but i dont think he has the bottle for hard GP racing he seems timid in EL racing so i cant ever see him challenging the likes of pedersen,andersen ,crump etc in gp races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Rico could well qualify yet if he's in the mood on the day. It's a track he knows well, but sadly, Walaseks even more likely to capitalise on his track knowledge. I think Richardson has an outstanding chance of qualifying, as does Walasek. But Walasek is semi-weird - he could go through the card, or he could mess it up. But everything has fallen right for him so far, with the Polish qualification final being at Zielona Gora, his quarter-final at Czestochowa (a former club and a track where he is an acknowledged expert), his semi-final at Motala (his home track in Sweden) and the final at Zielona Gora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 With all due respect to Woffinden he is obviously not yet ready. He needs to move up and do a year in the EL. If he manages to average around 9 then he is worth putting in the gPs. Holder on the other hand is a bit of a one off. He has adapted to the EL like a fish to water, is going around equalling track records and would be a serious threat in the GP series. Far too early for him to win it but he wouldn't be a straggler either. His current ability could even se him make some semis. Nationality shouldn't play a part but it does, due to the TV audience. With Australia not taking the GPs live, I doubt he would stroll into a berth, but BSI are not blind and do want the best riders in the world taking part in their show. Holder is more than capable of kisking the butts of the bottom half of the field. It would be a travesty if he isn't one of he permament wild cards in 2009. Look I supprt Rye and watch Tai every week and in my humble opinion he is a million miles away from the GP. He has yet to fulfill his undoubted promise and who is to say he actually will. Holder on the other hand is surely ready but I am really sick of this wildcard rubbish. Done to give a little extra flavour for the home fans at the GP it does stop riders who are keen enough to follow the qualifying route. Yes it is harsh when a rider gets injured midway through the season and fails to get through but thats life. I do wonder if this was in the Woffinden camps minds when he chose to be British instead of an Aussie. His path to the GP's is more certain considering neither Harris nor Nicholls deserve another crack. With Holder the next in the pecking order had Tai chosen to be an Aussie he simply wouldn't have been considered. Oh the politics of our sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 I think Richardson has an outstanding chance of qualifying, as does Walasek. But Walasek is semi-weird - he could go through the card, or he could mess it up. Sums up Grzegorz to a tee. Brillaint or bloody awful - there's never really any middle ground with the guy. I've always been a fan of him, for some totally illogical reason, but think the GPs is a bit beyond him to be honest and he'd be another KK or Lukas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 am i missing something.Nothing against chris holder he is a good rider articulate and modest and deserves a gp spot.My beef is he is australian and if he gets a gp place next year will it be at the expense of a british rider? Surely that is wrong if he takes part it should be at the expense f an aussie.Seems logical to me. If IMG think he'll be good for business then in he will go ....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew E Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 holder has to be in gps as i said on another thread he would be in top 8 easily maybe even top 5 hes that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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