mickthemuppet Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 2:52 PM, iris123 said: The 1937 Derby meeting results Ht 1. B.Wilkinson, T.Croombs, S.Langton Ht 2. W.Little, C.parkinson, A.Fenn Ht 3. V.Huxley, N.Parker Ht 4. V.Duggan, B.McKinney, J.Parker Ht 5. W.Lamoreaux, R.Sulway, D.Case Ht 6. J.Milne, J.Chigwell Semi 1 Wilkinson, McKinney, Little Semi 2. Huxley, Parkinson, Duggan Semi 3. Lamoreaux, J.Milne Final . Wilkinson, Milne, Huxley, Lamoreaux Under adverse conditions, Bluey Wilkinson, after a hard fought battle with Jack Milne won the World's Speedway Derby at the Showground on sunday night. For the last half lap of the race Wilkinson rode on a flat tyre. Wilkinson kept the lead from start to finish.The American Milne was always on his tail. The winners time of 61 sec was the fastest of the night. Vic Duggan, who at the start of the season was riding as a novice did well to beat Byrd McKinney and Jack Parker in the 4th heat, but was eliminated in the semi. He led the field in the consolation scratch, his time was 44.2 for 2 laps I wonder how accurate these reports are when it says half a lap with a puncture and the fastest time of the evening and in the last heat as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mickthemuppet said: I wonder how accurate these reports are when it says half a lap with a puncture and the fastest time of the evening and in the last heat as well Absolutely. Wondered about that myself, but race times were always hit and miss and to an extent still are Edited January 7, 2020 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 3:41 PM, gustix said: A series of World Championships were held at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris, France, circa 1929 to 1936. Offhand, I think that among its winners were Jack Parker, Jean Landru, Leo Killmayer and Charles 'Pee Wee' Cullum. In 2015, John, you posted this: French staged World Championships - 1929-37: at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1929 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1930 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1931 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley (Australia) 1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker (England) 1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson (Australia), 2.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1933 - Claude Rye (England), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier (France), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru (France) 1935 - 1 - Billy Lamont (Australia), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1936 - 1 - Charles ‘Pee Wee’ Cullum (USA) 1937 - 1 - Martin Schneeweiss (Austria) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 2:52 PM, iris123 said: The 1937 Derby meeting results Ht 1. B.Wilkinson, T.Croombs, S.Langton Ht 2. W.Little, C.parkinson, A.Fenn Ht 3. V.Huxley, N.Parker Ht 4. V.Duggan, B.McKinney, J.Parker Ht 5. W.Lamoreaux, R.Sulway, D.Case Ht 6. J.Milne, J.Chigwell Semi 1 Wilkinson, McKinney, Little Semi 2. Huxley, Parkinson, Duggan Semi 3. Lamoreaux, J.Milne Final . Wilkinson, Milne, Huxley, Lamoreaux Under adverse conditions, Bluey Wilkinson, after a hard fought battle with Jack Milne won the World's Speedway Derby at the Showground on sunday night. For the last half lap of the race Wilkinson rode on a flat tyre. Wilkinson kept the lead from start to finish.The American Milne was always on his tail. The winners time of 61 sec was the fastest of the night. Vic Duggan, who at the start of the season was riding as a novice did well to beat Byrd McKinney and Jack Parker in the 4th heat, but was eliminated in the semi. He led the field in the consolation scratch, his time was 44.2 for 2 laps The Australian rider J Chigwell! Could that be Jack Chignell who rode at Wimbledon and Belle Vue in the late 1940s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Midland Red said: In 2015, John, you posted this: French staged World Championships - 1929-37: at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1929 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1930 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1931 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley (Australia) 1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker (England) 1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson (Australia), 2.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1933 - Claude Rye (England), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier (France), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru (France) 1935 - 1 - Billy Lamont (Australia), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1936 - 1 - Charles ‘Pee Wee’ Cullum (USA) 1937 - 1 - Martin Schneeweiss (Austria) The Paris championships are always a bit of a quandary. Seems little information about them and differences of opinion Speedway Champions give the following winners from 1931-1935 Lamont,Wilkinson,Meynier, Rye and again Rye which differs from the above Something I would love to clarify, but although I have found a few short reports from Paris meetings, never got to the bottom of this puzzle so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Speedway Champions as far as I'm concerned is correct, we had many discussions between us several years ago and we think we have it right. I have the programme from 1934 and it is the FOURTH world championship held there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Yes. As I stated before, it is a well researched site. Sadly a lot of poor information floats around the internet Could you post the line up for that final by any chance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 You can look at the programme cover on the Speedway Championships website, all the riders are listed on that cover. Also, how we know we are correct in the finishing three they are listed in this 1934 programme. 1931 Lamont, Tauser, Bellissent 1932 Wilkinson, Bellissent, Killmeyer 1933 Meynier, Wilkinson, Lamont. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Also a piece I put on another thread about Sprouts Elder coming to Hamburg at the start of the 1930 season and being billed as 'World Champion' Can also confirm that on a number of occasions in the US during 1932,33 and 34 he was named not only international champion, but also world champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 hours ago, iris123 said: The Paris championships are always a bit of a quandary. Seems little information about them and differences of opinion Speedway Champions give the following winners from 1931-1935 Lamont,Wilkinson,Meynier, Rye and again Rye which differs from the above Something I would love to clarify, but although I have found a few short reports from Paris meetings, never got to the bottom of this puzzle so far 2 hours ago, andout said: You can look at the programme cover on the Speedway Championships website, all the riders are listed on that cover. Also, how we know we are correct in the finishing three they are listed in this 1934 programme. 1931 Lamont, Tauser, Bellissent 1932 Wilkinson, Bellissent, Killmeyer 1933 Meynier, Wilkinson, Lamont. 10 hours ago, Midland Red said: In 2015, John, you posted this: French staged World Championships - 1929-37: at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1929 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1930 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1931 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley (Australia) 1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker (England) 1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson (Australia), 2.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1933 - Claude Rye (England), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier (France), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru (France) 1935 - 1 - Billy Lamont (Australia), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1936 - 1 - Charles ‘Pee Wee’ Cullum (USA) 1937 - 1 - Martin Schneeweiss (Austria) Sadly, to determine who won titles and when it's becoming a case of 'make your own choice'. Offhand I think the old-time rider Gus Kuhn has a website which may mention the Paris-staged world championships. I cannot seem to make a link with it. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 "Make your own choice" what do you mean by that? It has been researched and proven from programmes and "Paris Match" magazine? What else do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, andout said: "Make your own choice" what do you mean by that? It has been researched and proven from programmes and "Paris Match" magazine? What else do you need? I advised "Make your own choice" because I am completely confused as to what is a definitive list of winners of the French-staged 'world championships.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, gustix said: I advised "Make your own choice" because I am completely confused as to what is a definitive list of winners of the French-staged 'world championships.' You have them......Speedway Champions site is accurate...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, andout said: You can look at the programme cover on the Speedway Championships website, all the riders are listed on that cover. Also, how we know we are correct in the finishing three they are listed in this 1934 programme. 1931 Lamont, Tauser, Bellissent 1932 Wilkinson, Bellissent, Killmeyer 1933 Meynier, Wilkinson, Lamont. 1934 Rye, Case, Killmeyer 1935 Rye, Murphy, Bellissent. That's all, there were no more than these five annual world championships from 1931 to 1935 in Paris. In 1936 the FIM took over and staged the first officially sanctioned world championship final at Wembley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, andout said: "Make your own choice" what do you mean by that? It has been researched and proven from programmes and "Paris Match" magazine? What else do you need? This is the trouble with some who spread this stuff . Historic facts aren’t a matter of ‘ make your own choice’ and it isn’t a matter of ‘lots of sites state such and such ‘ or ‘ why has nobody ever questioned this before ? ‘ One such article stating Cullum was unofficial world champ by gustix http://www.speedwaymuseumonline.co.uk/puttmossman.html Edited January 9, 2020 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, iris123 said: This is the trouble with some who spread this stuff . Historic facts aren’t a matter of ‘ make your own choice’ and it isn’t a matter of ‘lots of sites state such and such ‘ or ‘ why has nobody ever questioned this before ? ‘ One such article stating Cullen was unofficial world champ by gustix http://www.speedwaymuseumonline.co.uk/puttmossman.html ???? Who is Cullen? No mention in the Putt Mossman biog!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 Auto correction on my phone . Just typed it again and it changed it once more to Cullen . No idea why. It doesn’t change anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 There is reference to the French-staged world championships in this article including the names of the champions: http://www.speedwayplus.com/france.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 1969 World Pairs Final which was initially a non FIM endorsed event, if I recall, but has long since been recognised as the first staging of the World Pairs competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 hours ago, gustix said: ???? Who is Cullen? No mention in the Putt Mossman biog!! In quite an extraordinary coincidence I have just come across a spectacular photo of Peewee 'Cullen' in mid air after a crash at Yankee Stadium, New York in 1937 !!! I kid you not. Must have had auto correct problems even in those days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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