lucifer sam Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 thought thats what the former public schoolboy was hired for Kelvin's approach to World Finals was to allow him to be pushed out wide and then spend the next 12 months moaning about it. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Paulco - the Danes all get on come the World Cup, though. Unlike our riders who are too busy nicking the favoured sports of their team mates in the Coventry pits, instead of concentrating on a team effort in the competition. All the best Rob Totally agree about the Danes come the world cup , we was in Vojens and the Danes were as one as was all the other teams except England to me there was two camps the Harris camp and the Nicholls camp Lee Richardson didnt no which camp to be in but spent a lot of time with Edward Kenette and Tai Woffinden Tai must have thought what have i got mixed up in and bet he wished he,d rode for the Aussies and who could blame him . As for nicholls and Harris i never see them speak let alone look at each other .What a joke ?? . neither are going to make next years GP,s on merit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 When I'm out on the piss the night before the Swedish GP, I don't expect to bump into any riders. All the best Rob Lucifer Sam and Bomber Harris - the Brits Abroad . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 He still scored nearly as much as Nicholls and Harris put together. And no doubt Nicki Pedersen and Jason Crump have early nights the night before the Grand Prix. It's called professionalism - and it's what the British riders lack. When I'm out on the piss the night before the Swedish GP, I don't expect to bump into any riders. All the best Rob Agree with you about the professionalism bit but I have seen riders absolutely legless at speedway end of season dinner dances who have went out the next night and scored maximums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Totally agree about the Danes come the world cup , we was in Vojens and the Danes were as one as was all the other teams except England to me there was two camps the Harris camp and the Nicholls camp Lee Richardson didnt no which camp to be in but spent a lot of time with Edward Kenette and Tai Woffinden Tai must have thought what have i got mixed up in and bet he wished he,d rode for the Aussies and who could blame him . As for nicholls and Harris i never see them speak let alone look at each other .What a joke ?? . neither are going to make next years GP,s on merit . Not really. Woffinden's choice was clever. A bigger pool of sponsors, a near assured GP spot when he's ready, SWC captain and when he has a poor night in that he'll be better than most, Sky's GB golden boy. If Woffinden chose Aussie, he'd always have Holder or Batchelor or many other promising roo's to compete against for them spots. He's a wise head on young shoulders. I don't think it's professionalism, it's desire and the attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I always notice Jan stachman at the GPS ,is he with a rider or do danish speedway pay him to be there?As for the brits as there are just two of them to bounce ideas off and they are next to each other in the pits i cant understand why they dont offer help to each other.Instead Bomber turns the other way to help Holta!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I always notice Jan stachman at the GPS ,is he with a rider or do danish speedway pay him to be there?As for the brits as there are just two of them to bounce ideas off and they are next to each other in the pits i cant understand why they dont offer help to each other.Instead Bomber turns the other way to help Holta!!!!!!!!!! Middleditch used to go to the GP's to be with our riders . Haven't seen hide nor hair of Lynch this season though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 as ive said to a few people i no, When Stonehewer was in the Gp's the best he got was 12th in the world, and not much really said as he was over shadowed by Loram and Screeny. Am not sure whats Scotts best placing has been but has it been much better then that?? like i say when he rides Elite league hes a great heat leader!! but its all in his self belief i say. Seventh in 2003 is the global superstar's best final placing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Middleditch used to go to the GP's to be with our riders . Haven't seen hide nor hair of Lynch this season though . That is because Neil paid to go to the GP's to be with the riders, I guess Jim doesn't feel the same passion for Britain! As for Scott, I personally don't think that having Kelvin next to him in the pits is the right move for him, can't really see Mr Tatum as a motivator! Scott needs someone who can get him to focus more, now I really don't know who that would be, I would love to say Mark Loram, but he has enough to deal with in getting himself fit for now but there must be someone that can help Scott out, I have such faith in that lad to do well, he has the skill to beat the best, he has the aggression, he just needs someone to get him to pull all that together on the track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 (edited) I was staying at Vastervik at the weekend. Bjarne Pedersen was staying at our hotel. Someone spotted his mechanics in the bar at the hotel the night before the Grand Prix, and they asked his mechanics where Bjarne was. "He's been tucked up in bed for the last hour", came the reply. It seems Bjarne went to bed around 8.00pm. On the other hand, Chris Harris was spotted at a bar in the wee hours of Saturday morning. If this is true then what does he expect ................. he can't expect the british fans to support him if he isn't being professional and he can't expect to be the best. Agree with you about the professionalism bit but I have seen riders absolutely legless at speedway end of season dinner dances who have went out the next night and scored maximums Bloody good job they weren't tested for alcohol then!! Edited August 18, 2008 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 He needs someone to tell him a few home truths, rather than sycophantically reassure him of his greatness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WimbledonDon Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 That is because Neil paid to go to the GP's to be with the riders, I guess Jim doesn't feel the same passion for Britain! As for Scott, I personally don't think that having Kelvin next to him in the pits is the right move for him, can't really see Mr Tatum as a motivator! Scott needs someone who can get him to focus more, now I really don't know who that would be, I would love to say Mark Loram, but he has enough to deal with in getting himself fit for now but there must be someone that can help Scott out, I have such faith in that lad to do well, he has the skill to beat the best, he has the aggression, he just needs someone to get him to pull all that together on the track! Gary havelock was with nicholls in 06 or 07 in the GP's and actually did help nicholls out a fair bit ... more than tatum has... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Gary havelock was with nicholls in 06 or 07 in the GP's and actually did help nicholls out a fair bit ... more than tatum has... Well, he fronted up for interviews to tell the world that they were chasing the right set-up, while all Tatum MBE seems to do is carry his crash helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 (edited) Harris is having a poor year I think. There was going to come a time when things caught up with him. He is still fantastic to watch mind. Nicholls is just a steady team rider, in the EL he doesnt beat the top stars if you look but gets a decent average from beating the rest...In Poland, GP and Sweden theres 3 top riders in each race...and he struggles...I would have both in my team tomorrow. They ride best in our league! Edited August 18, 2008 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schumi Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 In Sweden theres 3 top riders in each race...and he struggles...I would have both in my team tomorrow. They ride best in our league! Well, unless you're against MasarnaAvesta. Mind you, Nicholls isn't currently riding in Sweden, is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I was staying at Vastervik at the weekend. Bjarne Pedersen was staying at our hotel. Someone spotted his mechanics in the bar at the hotel the night before the Grand Prix, and they asked his mechanics where Bjarne was. "He's been tucked up in bed for the last hour", came the reply. It seems Bjarne went to bed around 8.00pm. On the other hand, Chris Harris was spotted at a bar in the wee hours of Saturday morning. Is it any wonder we can't compete with the Danes? All the best Rob In Chris's defence I understand he cant sleep before a GP. Did your friend say whether he was drinking or not. I suspect the answer was NOT. So does he lay in bed and toss and turn orgo out - tire himself out and when he hits the pillow he then will fall asleep. Everyone does differenlty and I have been quick to jump when we have seen riders out late at night -but now I am more tolerant!! That is because Neil paid to go to the GP's to be with the riders, I guess Jim doesn't feel the same passion for Britain! That is slightly unfair. I suspect Jim is just as passionate for Britain but doesnt have the same personal income as Neil. As you say Neil had to pay for himself (along with Poole Tourist Board - who whoever it was called) maybe Jim doesnt have a sponsor to help either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathenatOdsal85! Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Gary havelock was with nicholls in 06 or 07 in the GP's and actually did help nicholls out a fair bit ... more than tatum has... Well, he fronted up for interviews to tell the world that they were chasing the right set-up, while all Tatum MBE seems to do is carry his crash helmet. How do you know what role / influence / impact Kelvin Tatum has on Scott Nicholls? No offense intended but to me when i read such a flippant remark it just makes you sound a bit ridiculous, and difficult to take anything you may write with any degree of seriousness. Granted his results the last two GP's haven't shown any marked improvement (which is from what i can tell is when Kelvin has certainly been with him in the pits, though admittedly i don't know how long he may have been helping him before) but to me your comment reads as disrespectful both to Scott Nicholls who obviously is trying to improve his set up and performance and to Kelvin Tatum, who as a former Individual World Champion (albeit longtrack), British League and International Top Liner OBVIOUSLY knows a thing or two about what it takes for a successful set-up. Even if Nicholls GP results don't significantly improve while receiving help from Tatum, (and i do acknowledge that Speedway is a results business) i would still imagine even then it would be very difficult for any outsider to the Nicholls Camp to quantify what influence Kelvin Tatum may or may not have played in that, or indeed what other aspects of Nicholls set-up he may have helped with. Somethings take time or who knows maybe he would be struggling even moreso without help, or perhaps he has just reached his GP level. I hope not, since as an outsider looking on there doesn't appear to be too many stand out reasons why he shoudn't more consistently win races. By this i mean when i watch him ride the bike there doesn't seem to be anything particularly wrong with his style / skill or determination, and also when i see him being interviewed i interpret what i see as a person who is trying to reinforce self belief in himself in the face of difficult results and who appears motivated, and indeed somewhat frustrated by his current run of form. On top of this i also see someone who is obviously not scared and indeed willing to ask for others help and advice in order to improve his results - by previously recruiting Havelock and now Tatum. For me then, those ingredients seem on the surface to all be right - style / skill / determination, motivation and a willingness to receive help. Of course what i don't know about is why he consistently doesn't get out the gate and often seems relatively down on power! - And of course i guess this is where your Havelock's and Tatum come in. Good Luck to them i say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I was staying at Vastervik at the weekend. Bjarne Pedersen was staying at our hotel. Someone spotted his mechanics in the bar at the hotel the night before the Grand Prix, and they asked his mechanics where Bjarne was. "He's been tucked up in bed for the last hour", came the reply. It seems Bjarne went to bed around 8.00pm. On the other hand, Chris Harris was spotted at a bar in the wee hours of Saturday morning. Is it any wonder we can't compete with the Danes? All the best Rob No prizes for guessing which one pulled and which one didn't then is there Didn't do him much good did it? He might aswell of went out on the p$ss Middleditch used to go to the GP's to be with our riders . Haven't seen hide nor hair of Lynch this season though . If you notice Middlo still goes So does he lay in bed and toss I suspect Jim is just as passionate for Britain but doesnt have the same personal income as Neil. As you say Neil had to pay for himself (along with Poole Tourist Board - who whoever it was called) maybe Jim doesnt have a sponsor to help either. Sandie ..... Middlo paid for himself like he is doing now. Poole Tourist Board sponsored him but I wouldn't of thought it would cover the price of air fares or hotels for the GPs as well as the SWC meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Sandie ..... Middlo paid for himself like he is doing now. Poole Tourist Board sponsored him but I wouldn't of thought it would cover the price of air fares or hotels for the GPs as well as the SWC meetings. I know that and appreciate that. But for it to be said that Jim Lynch doesnt have as much passion based on him not being at the GP's is. I believe, I little insulting. If the BSPA paid for the flights and the hotel accomodation and he still didnt attend then Yes, fair enough, but until then I dont think it is a fair comment to say he doesnt have as much passion. Just my opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Well, unless you're against MasarnaAvesta. Mind you, Nicholls isn't currently riding in Sweden, is he? Might be now, Mr.Hammarby has put his hand in his pocket..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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