Stiltonpanther Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Well done to Nicki but have to say it was so boring. Not a good advert for the sport. I may be in the minority but enjoyed the GP's more when they had 24 riders and two were eliminated in a last chance saloon before the serious stuff started. There were always surprise people getting through to the latter stages and not this "let's get 8 points and make the semi's" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I bet Kelvin Tatum MBE wishes he'd been in the commentary box instead of associated with another pathetic display from the global superstar. Is that one win in thirty-two races for the global superstar this season? Is that sixty-three Grands Prix without winning one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Well done to Nicki but have to say it was so boring. Not a good advert for the sport. I may be in the minority but enjoyed the GP's more when they had 24 riders and two were eliminated in a last chance saloon before the serious stuff started. There were always surprise people getting through to the latter stages and not this "let's get 8 points and make the semi's" Dont think you are in the minority... i would love to go back to that.. far far more entertaining and cut throat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 But neither deserve a place next year. Have to see how the IMG / FIM deal the Wild Cards this year because certainly the Brits are running out of time to force their way into the top 8 !!!! Certainly dont deserve to be awarded a spot at this stage but I guess it all about Cardiff !!!! Nicholls and Harris - Cardiff apart have flattered to deceive ..... by rights they should not be rewarded with a Wild Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Even the most deluded are getting mighty fed up now. Neither of them deserve a place next year, cos you can gaurantee it will be down to nominations ( again) . I've not always seen eye to eye with Subedei, but on this I do agree with him. Neither of them bothered to go through the qualifying process, so neither of them deserve a place. Anyway, last night was boring. One or two highlights- all the hilarious comments from Johnno apart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Would agree that it was a complete borefest. The only redeeming feature was Johnno in commentary. An absolute gem IMHO, says it like it is and with a sense of humour as well. Far superior IMO than poo faced, let's pretend speedway is a serious sport attitude of Kelvin Tatum Spot on, Johnno is very funny as co-commentator and had me chuckling all the way through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 speaking of the can of energy drink. nascar drivers have gotten ridiculous. a couple of weeks ago every driver would drink out of a can of coke zero whilst being interviewed, like that was gonna make me run to the store and stock up on that hideous drink because the drivers were drinking it. nascar has become one big infomercial as of late and they better respect the fans intelligence a bit more than they do otherwise they will see through it. i can see greg pushing his sponsors as speedway riders need all the sponsorship they can get to off set expenses but i find it ridiculous that multi millionaire drivers would do that for an extra few hundred bucks and look phoney doin it. the best was as i previously mentioned when juan pablo, sponsored by big red gum loadin up his mouth with big red while bein interviewed and smakin away whilst talkin. i guess some idiots ran to the store durin the caution and stocked up? anyway, in speedway i dont have a problem with it. with what these fellas make in the gp's it would be very easy to end up on the poverty line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Spot on, Johnno is very funny as co-commentator and had me chuckling all the way through Johno said in commentry thats hes going to do jason crump up like a kipper when they meet at BV on monday,and from the back as well!! Anyone who goes please keep us informed when they meet!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Have to see how the IMG / FIM deal the Wild Cards this year because certainly the Brits are running out of time to force their way into the top 8 !!!! Certainly dont deserve to be awarded a spot at this stage but I guess it all about Cardiff !!!! Nicholls and Harris - Cardiff apart have flattered to deceive ..... by rights they should not be rewarded with a Wild Card. I think if you can’t put the effort in to go through the qualifying stages, then you should not be considered for a wild card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) I think if you can’t put the effort in to go through the qualifying stages, then you should not be considered for a wild card But for the global superstar and his sidekick Harris there are huge risks in taking on the qualifiers? What if they don't make it through? As things stand, they can claim that seeing as they're the titans of British speedway they could've qualified, if they'd wanted, but being the kind and generous souls they are, they allow mere lesser mortals to have a chance. Well, it's easier than facing the truth. Edited August 3, 2008 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I think you will find that Nicholls has a better G.P. record in that time than Bjarne Pedersen !! Hmm...well Bjarne finished 6th in the standings in 2005 and has actually won a GP, so think you're a bit off kilter on that one. But neither deserve a place next year. Even with my BP bias I'd have to agree - Bjarne has missed a couple through injury this year, but has flattered to deceive in the last couple of seasons. With the next generation knocking on the door, I don't think he'll get lucky again and I can't see him being able to pull enough back to make top 8 - if he does get in, it'll be through the Qualifier, same as last year. Nicholls will always get the nod for being a token Brit until such time that Tai or someone similar is deemed ready to take his place and that won't be that far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schumi Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) Nicholls will always get the nod for being a token Brit until such time that Tai or someone similar is deemed ready to take his place and that won't be that far away. I don't know why - I'd much rather watch Harris than Nicholls if I had to choose between the two. Edited August 3, 2008 by fluffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hmm...well Bjarne finished 6th in the standings in 2005 and has actually won a GP, so think you're a bit off kilter on that one. More than a bit "off kilter", young rabbit: http://www.speedwayinfo.co.uk/GPTable.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Cheers Sube, BP may be 'grey' to some, but he's had some moments along the way. Just read the write-up on last night's meeting on the Daily Echo website - seems Bjarne isn't doing the qualifiers this year - he may well have burnt his bridges for 2009 unless he swaps kevlars with the other Pedersen in the series... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainman Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 England should only have one rider in it next year and thats Tai Woffinden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaseywaite Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hmm...well Bjarne finished 6th in the standings in 2005 and has actually won a GP, so think you're a bit off kilter on that one. Even with my BP bias I'd have to agree - Bjarne has missed a couple through injury this year, but has flattered to deceive in the last couple of seasons. With the next generation knocking on the door, I don't think he'll get lucky again and I can't see him being able to pull enough back to make top 8 - if he does get in, it'll be through the Qualifier, same as last year. Nicholls will always get the nod for being a token Brit until such time that Tai or someone similar is deemed ready to take his place and that won't be that far away. But the question wasnt a one off gp or a particular year it was from 2002-2008 and in that time Nicholls has scored more points !! IMO neither would deserve a wild card next year but there is still plenty of racing left to get into the top 8 !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hmm...well Bjarne finished 6th in the standings in 2005 and has actually won a GP, so think you're a bit off kilter on that one. Even with my BP bias I'd have to agree - Bjarne has missed a couple through injury this year, but has flattered to deceive in the last couple of seasons. With the next generation knocking on the door, I don't think he'll get lucky again and I can't see him being able to pull enough back to make top 8 - if he does get in, it'll be through the Qualifier, same as last year. Nicholls will always get the nod for being a token Brit until such time that Tai or someone similar is deemed ready to take his place and that won't be that far away. Problem is the "next generation" aren't knocking on the door. If you look at the field for the GP Qualifying Final it is very much a case of tried and tested riders who have either been in the GP's before or at the very least are well known on these shores. The only possible exceptions are Miedzinski and Jedrzejak who have both improved since their time in the Elite League. The most obvious "next generation" of Holder, Saifutdinov and Pavlic all tried but failed to even qualify for the Final. I guess it is pointless to even guess who the nominations are likely to be until after the Qualifying Final and this years top 8 are sorted. For example, if Sullivan were to qualify then it would be unlikely Holder would get a nomination. Personally I would consider Bjarne to be in the top 15 in the world, but with so many Danes at the top it appears his only hope of being in the series for 2009 is to come up with some very big scores in the remaining GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 If neither Harris or Nicholls make it they cant be given a Wild card on purely speedway terms at this stage. Bomber received a wild card last season - following a decent first season and a SGP win. Nicholls had a Wild Card the year before following an injury prevented him riding in a SGP or otherwise he would of qualified. Looking at riders that have chances of Wild Cards , I would of thought Bjerre must be up there following his SGP and SWC exploits. Should Lindgren miss out I guess he would be given a spot as AJ would then be the only Swede. That not give Nicholls or Harris a great chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbieoldboy Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Why do people keep bringing up Wildcards and merit in the same post? If you haven't got it yet the wildcards are chosen for TV. no Brits = less intrest in British media (yes even less than now) and less chance of sky getting non speedway or now and again fan to watch. GP's are sustainable because of TV money therefore you need riders from the countries who pay the rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 First chance to post since the meeting. Passing was certainly at a premium after the opening exchanges, but you can't argue that the best man won. He must be a very short price now to retain his title. I think that the plug for "The New Inn" by Johno was my personal highlight; I'll bet it got a great cheer although I couldn't make it down there this time. Apparently the Forum members were conspicuous by their absence this time. Apart from that, a typical GP performance from Clean, who looked deadly in his first 2 rides, ran an absolute stinker in his third and then bowed out in the semi-finals for the umpteenth time. He'll do well to creep up any higher than his current 6th spot this season, which is a major disappointment after coming second last year. Apart from that, I hope that all the Forumers in attendance had a great weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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