Subedei Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 But you don't realise CheetahJake, in the mind of the global superstar it is the track, or the bike, or the time of the month, or the referee, because he can't ever be at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Hardly. That was shock and anger. He couldn't believe that the referee didn't realise that he has a God-given right to do whatever he chooses on a speedway track. Didn't the referee realise that he's a global superstar? How could the referee possibly be so stupid as to not realise it was Ljung's fault for getting in his way? And how dare Ljung have the nerve to be in front of him anyway? Ljung should be punished for not realising the status of the global superstar. It's just all so unfair. Or perhaps Scott didn't feel the contact? He only clipped his leg (he was rightly excluded, don't misunderstand my point). There was no bike-to-bike contact. The contact did not disturb Scott's bike or his run into the corner. It's entirely possible that without the benefit of a replay he just didn't realise he'd taken Peter's leg from under him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) Or perhaps Scott didn't feel the contact? He only clipped his leg (he was rightly excluded, don't misunderstand my point). There was no bike-to-bike contact. The contact did not disturb Scott's bike or his run into the corner. It's entirely possible that without the benefit of a replay he just didn't realise he'd taken Peter's leg from under him. Clutching at straws, a stone wall exclusion and a ridiculous move from Nicholls You are right no bike to bike contact Nicholls bike to Ljungs leg which straightened Ljung up That move almost made you feel sorry for Harris, but that was Bombers stupidity this instance it was Scotts Edited July 16, 2008 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinders Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Or perhaps Scott didn't feel the contact? He only clipped his leg (he was rightly excluded, don't misunderstand my point). There was no bike-to-bike contact. The contact did not disturb Scott's bike or his run into the corner. It's entirely possible that without the benefit of a replay he just didn't realise he'd taken Peter's leg from under him. Something similar as he did to bomber in the GP run off (i think not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheetahJake Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 do you still really believe 'bulldog spirit' passion and determination are enough ? do you think the reason tiger woods wins almost every tournament and justin rose doesn't is down to a lack of bulldog spirit ? do you think that was henman's problem ? personally i dont think spirit passion or determination matters a jot if you dont have the necessary ability. why do so many british people feel we have some sort of divine right to always be victorious ? what we need to do is produce better riders,and to work out why so many promising youngsters fail to improve as they get older. Forgive me, but I can't help but notice a slightly unpatriotic trend running through your posts. You also appear to completely discount any value that there might be in having a sense of pride. Clearly you have never served in any of the armed forces, otherwise you would appreciate rather more fully the significant importance in having a sense of pride, whether that be standing for, if not actually singing, the National Anthem, and/or actually representing your country in whatever international arena. It is a case of going beyond SELF. Clearly, there were certain individuals within the so-called Team GB who also do not appreciate such values. There is no escaping the fact that the likes of Denmark are were absolutely oozing with pride and team-spirit, with a justifiable outcome. During highly intensive training, should one fall to one's knees and utter the words, "I can't go on" or similar, the SAS will kick them out there and then. However, if before reaching the very end of the exercise, the individual collapses into unconciousness, the SAS will take the view that he needs strengthening-up physically, because he gave 100% and had not the breath to say, I can't go on. It's all down to attitude. You can teach the skills, you can provide the equipment, but you cannot teach the right attitude. That can only come from within, and quite frankly, that is a great part of what is missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Forgive me, but I can't help but notice a slightly unpatriotic trend running through your posts. You also appear to completely discount any value that there might be in having a sense of pride. Clearly you have never served in any of the armed forces, otherwise you would appreciate rather more fully the significant importance in having a sense of pride, whether that be standing for, if not actually singing, the National Anthem, and/or actually representing your country in whatever international arena. It is a case of going beyond SELF. Clearly, there were certain individuals within the so-called Team GB who also do not appreciate such values. There is no escaping the fact that the likes of Denmark are were absolutely oozing with pride and team-spirit, with a justifiable outcome. During highly intensive training, should one fall to one's knees and utter the words, "I can't go on" or similar, the SAS will kick them out there and then. However, if before reaching the very end of the exercise, the individual collapses into unconciousness, the SAS will take the view that he needs strengthening-up physically, because he gave 100% and had not the breath to say, I can't go on. It's all down to attitude. You can teach the skills, you can provide the equipment, but you cannot teach the right attitude. That can only come from within, and quite frankly, that is a great part of what is missing. what a patronising,idealistic,presumptuous,benighted post. i am sure your a wonderful person though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean blyth Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 if russsia had emil i thunk they would of qualified but now they will come third hope GB dont go through as we are s**t hope tai does well tho king and bridger should be inplace of nicholls and richardson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think I know what to expect on Thursday but Im pretty sure what to expect Friday - locked and/or deleted threads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Expect Sweden & Poland to qualify in a similar situation to Monday, with Russia starting well and threatening GB (or is it England) for 3rd place then falling away. Still not sure about Poland's team though as the one they picked on Saturday was a poor decision, imo. And still not sure what a 'joker' system is doing in a World motor sport event which allows a team that isn't able to use it's Joker be penalised and be forced into a run-off with a team that did use it's Joker. Rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I thought the referee was superb - called every decision right. So did I. Lynch looked at the replays and said "There was no contact!" Could you believe it? It was there on screen for all to see! No contact? Get some spectacles, Lynch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I expect Poland to win,Sweden to flop,we will get through by the skin of our teeth.Hope it is a wake up call to Bridger.He should be asking himself how a youngster from the PL gets in ahead of someone who a lot were saying a couple of years back is a "future World Champ".Basically it should be a wake up call to most of them.Like Tarabanko said if you want to play with the big boys you have to act professionally.Not go boozing it up,etc.............. I think that is what will happen......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I definitely have not given up with them. After the Coventry fiasco they owe us big time! If they can go into the meeting with the same attitude as Sweden did on Monday, then they will have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think I know what to expect on Thursday but Im pretty sure what to expect Friday - locked and/or deleted threads! You must have been on here monday night then. Hopefully it will be a lot more positive and we qualify for saturday as right now I think thats the best we can hope for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Diamond Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Britain can still qualify if all the riders improve and show more team spirit. Hopefully no more embarassing peformances from the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Britain can still qualify if all the riders improve and show more team spirit. Hopefully no more embarassing peformances from the team. I believe we can qualify, and I fully expect to see a different team tomorrow night (different as in behaviour and attitude, not a whole new team!). They owe it to us and they owe it to themselves to go out there and at the least show that they want it, at the most go and get it. And they know it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 What do I expect from 'TeamGB' on Thursday...in all honesty a struggle to get double figures and last place behind the russians! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 At the moment it would be - William Lawson James Grieves Andrew Tully Derek Sneddon Ross Brady Sean Stoddart Granted they are all just PL riders at the moment , but i'm sure they would be competative in the earlier WC rounds against the likes of Italy , Slovenia , Austria , Team GB and the like . DOH! Don't know how I missed William Lawson! Thanks for the answer! BTW, I expect Great Britain to put up a much better fight, with nothing to lose after that awful performence on Monday. I for certain don't take Sweden's place in the final for granted, it will be a fight for the places in Saturday's final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 What do I expect from 'TeamGB' on Thursday...in all honesty a struggle to get double figures and last place behind the russians! I have to say, that I agree with you Lupus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 What do I expect from 'TeamGB' on Thursday...in all honesty a struggle to get double figures and last place behind the russians! given that saftudinov isnt in this meeting then you might say the Russians are very much weakened. However they have the type of spirit that we should try bottle. They hardly ever give up. If we finish 4th , its a disgrace, However finishing 3rd is not much further off. The reality i believe is that we arent good enough to grace the top 4. It will take a miracle. However saying that, ill be wearing my union jack with pride - but have a realistic view of what might happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Something similar as he did to bomber in the GP run off (i think not) Ah you mean when Bomber took a dive?! Just for the record I'm very much a fan of both riders, and only made my mind up on that one when I got home and reviewed all the angles shown on Sky. So did I. Lynch looked at the replays and said "There was no contact!" Could you believe it? It was there on screen for all to see! No contact? Get some spectacles, Lynch! That was an incredibly foolish comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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