World Cup Format - Not Team Racing?

[lupus]

I dont claim your question but the question has to be asked,why did Gizatullin replace Sajfutdinov in heat 22 and vice versa in heat 23 when the only difference to the outcome of the match would/could be the top 2.Heat 23 was (on paper) easier than heat 22,and the result of heat 23 showed this to be the case.

 

They'd been making 'odd' decisions throughout the meeting so it didn't really surprise me!

[Hammer]

It is a sad state of affairs on this Forum, I am afraid mate that some of the members on here resort to name calling and insults or rolleyes when they can,t win a discussion, with little clique,s of knowalls ganging up on individuals, you must remember the old adage some are more equal than others. Just keep posting my friend, have your say, and to hell with them.

 

Thanks D.I.G

 

 

I'm afraid when someone bemoans the quality of racing in the SWC they deserve to be shot down in flames. As others have said the racing is usually top notch. Although I can see how difficult it would be to entertain someone used to watching speedway at the Mecca of fantastic speedway, Purfleet.

 

(especially for you)

 

Gosh, who was talking about Arena-Essex???? why has it become personal??? and as you bring it up. Arena-Essex is a dreadful place to watch Speedway but it's my nearest track.

 

 

 

[coma]

Ok Now listen carefully.........If you're new to Speedway I'll have to explain this one to you. You can have any number of teams competing a match and still race in pairs in the heats. It's been done many many times in Speedway, mostly in the old 3 Team Tournaments

 

When the commentators were pretending that they thought the Adams/Hampel race off was going to be a cracker, I thought to myself, I bet it isn't............and it wasn't

 

And thanks for pitying me but I watch Speedway objectively as a sporting spectacle and not as an Anorak that thinks the most exciting thing about a Speedway race is the winning time. Why does it always have to get personal and insulting on this forum????????

 

As pointed out already, there is more scope for fiddling matches with 2 riders from each team in a heat! Any format needing a race off would of ended up with 2 riders so no difference and the race was processional after the 2nd lap because the track was poor by then and Leigh was far quicker than Jarek, once in front.

This format works well on the whole, although the first rounds always have a couple of teams that don't score much. If you had a 2 team format, how exciting would the Poland v Hungary races be?

 

Have to agree with the whole personal comments thing though. If you don't enjoy the SWC then thats your opinion and I won't say you're wrong however I don't see another format making the racing any better than what we have now!

 

I dont claim your question but the question has to be asked,why did Gizatullin replace Sajfutdinov in heat 22 and vice versa in heat 23 when the only difference to the outcome of the match would/could be the top 2.Heat 23 was (on paper) easier than heat 22,and the result of heat 23 showed this to be the case.

 

Probably because Gizatullin wasn't gonna more than a point in either race where as Sajfutdinov had a good chance of scoring more points in the weaker race!

Edited July 13, 2008 by coma

[Subedei]

But Sajfutdinov could just as easily have been in both heats.

[spook]

The result wasnt in question though.... whether sajfutdinov was in both races or not they were still going to come 3rd so maybe the team manager did the right thing ahead of the race off

 

I must admit when the swap was made suspicious thoughts of polish collusion did cross my mind as it was odds on that Adams would win the heat and that Emil would beat Kasprzak.................. but Emil's victory by a large margin in the next put that to rest.............. I can see why the team manager did what he did.. I dont think it gave them any more points than they would have had but it was worth a shot

[SCB]

I assumed the odd Russian tactic was because Sajfutidov was having machine problems and rather than have an exclusion it was decided to put in another rider.

[hyderd]

We can make any excuse we like,but the only team that could benifit from the Russion rider changes to heats 22/23 were the Poles

Edited July 13, 2008 by hyderd

[Subedei]

We can make any excuse we like,but the only team that could benifit from the Russion rider changes to heats 22/23 were the Poles

 

And, of course, the Russians and Poles have such a long history of close co-operation. I can hardly think of two nations more unlikely to help each other out.

 

[BigFatDave]

And, of course, the Russians and Poles have such a long history of close co-operation. I can hardly think of two nations more unlikely to help each other out.

From the New York Times:

 

"The Poles say, not without a certain pride, that they are the only ones ever to occupy the Kremlin. That was in the early 17th century, almost 200 years before Napoleon and 300 before Hitler failed in their attempts to do so.

 

In Moscow not long ago, the national day celebration was switched from Nov. 7, commemorating the Bolshevik Revolution, to Nov. 4, when the Russians rid the Kremlin of the hated Poles.

 

Poles talk about Russians the way anti-Semites talk about Jews"

 

 

 

 

All together now - Neighbours, everybody needs good Neighbours.............

[Subedei]

Of course, we Mongols didn't occupy the Kremlin, we destroyed it.

[BigFatDave]

Of course, we Mongols didn't occupy the Kremlin, we destroyed it.

Can't take you mob anywhere................

[spook]

We can make any excuse we like,but the only team that could benifit from the Russion rider changes to heats 22/23 were the Poles

 

no i'm sorry but that is incorrect

 

the Russians had less chance of winning a heat during the entire meeting if they did not make that swap.......... the competition that Emil ended up having was significantly less of a threat to a heat win than Leigh Adams in 22 because his gate draw was so much better in 23

 

Also by swapping there was the hope that Gizatullin would be able to beat a very out of sorts Kasprzak whereas in 23 he would be facing Sullivan and Holta who on paper would be too much for him

 

I like looking out for any dodginess going on... and while the alarms were going off in my head when the swap was made..... I think Emil's win in the next heat destroys any notion of collusion......... if there had been collusion then he would be looking to finish behind holta and in front of Sullivan wouldnt he? Certainly not the victory by half a straight that he had

[Hammer]

No I stand by the fact that the racing is processional and usually quite boring

 

 

Ok Maybe I was wrong

[lionheart]

I am all for a WTC where the riders ride in pairs, AND the scoring is 4,3,2,0.

 

Bring it on