Deano Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I hope Antonio rises above it and puts the aggression into his riding. Antonio can decide with whom and where he rides, if it is open and rife in former eastern bloke countries more than others then he could refuse to ride there. It is their loss at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niclas Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I hope Antonio rises above it and puts the aggression into his riding. Antonio can decide with whom and where he rides, if it is open and rife in former eastern bloke countries more than others then he could refuse to ride there. It is their loss at the end of the day. The problem is that his polish club, Rybik will loose if he doesnt ride. And the fans who misbehaved belongs to Gruziadz, who is one of the toughest competitors to Rybnik. Rybnik is already today in a bad situation, risking to be degraded to liga II. But in the end I agree with you, if the polish federation doesnt take it serious and in one way or another investigate and punish Gruziadz, I think Antonio should stop riding in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 (edited) Its a sad fact of life, Niclas, there's Racists everywhere, even on this forum. i like to race my golf cart to the harbour when the fish are biting. sometimes i try to out race storms, but thats a big order in a heavy keeled double ender. i like to race people to the line of people waitin to get fish tacos from chronic tacos fast food establishment. i race to the liquor store on my 10 speed tricycle (with safety flags on it) for a beer run durin a break on a game of bones when i am losing. and sometimes, when im in old mexico, i either have to race to the boat to get out of the country or race to the wc. does that make me a racist? p.s. Dave, thanks for the inspiration for my signature. i broke a piston in my diesel, and when i did i yelled "Damn you BFD". dont know why i put the two together. Edited July 11, 2008 by sandman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 That said, speedway hasn't helped its own cause by recruiting very few people from ethnic minority groups. It may be a cultural thing that black and Asian lads play cricket, football, rugby and other sports - even F1 now - but don't really go in for speedway. I think it would help greatly if we had our own Lewis Hamilton. Anyone on the horizon? Speedway doesn't recruit anyone, people come to the sport to watch / compete of their own accord and no-one would ever be turned away. It has long been a mystery why hardly anyone other than white people take an interest in speedway but it is nevertheless a fact. Interests and abilities differ between races in all sorts of ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hannibal Thomas Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I think a lot of it is down to presentation, most speedway tracks put on a very 1970/80s white, tory ruined british slant to everything they do. If they tidied the place up a bit, put some rap music on and invited someone like P-Diddy or Andi Peters we would be on our way to harmony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogstar Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Once overheard an Aussie rider referring to N. Pedersen as a "Danish C***!" Guess there are many things that can be construed as racism and personally I think we over-react on most occasions. However the blatant mocking of a Black rider with Nazi salutes etc. is disgusting and should be stamped out! Oh the irony of Poles saluting in a Nazi style??.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Not sure how to word this, it's not meant funnily but I've never noticed the colour of peoples skins, is that silly? My little lad and I were out in the car the other day, saw these two lads one of which I recognised said to my lad there's soandso's brother there he said which one, I replied the one in the red t-shirt would of been so easy to say the coloured one, like I say I take no notice of the colour of peoples skin but I noticed his t-shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzilla Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 What is racism nowadays anyway? I worked as part of the security team at an Ice Cube concert in Rockefellers Oslo Sentrum last night and was amazed at the amount of racist comments coming from the guys on stage. Must have used the N word on hundreds of occasions during the show and some of their songs were openly mocking the American Police and white people etc. They even had a big banner on the stage with the letters NWA on it. Not wanting to sound like a prude, but with artists like that being looked up to by todays youth, then it's no wonder attitudes are like they are. We even had to frisk everyone that came in to check they weren't bringing in weapons. Each to their own I suppose and I have to say that I'm not a fan of rap music, but there seems to be a lot of muddled messages being sent out to the youth of today about what is deemed acceptable and what isn't. Still think that most decent minded people know not to cross the line, but there are always a minority of idiots that push things too far. Personally I think that Racism was more easily defined many years ago. Nowadays I think incidents like this fall into the bullying and being disrespectful and insulting category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) Must admit I have never heard or seen racism in Speedway from either side of the fence. And long may it continue. I totally disagree with AndyM with his suggestion of recruiting people from minority groups to be I assume riders. There would be more objection about positive discrimination than the perceived problem in the first place. Edited July 30, 2008 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hannibal Thomas Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) We need to replace Nigel Pearson with a black man like Tim Westwood then we are on to something. Edited July 27, 2008 by John 'Hannibal' Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Speedway doesn't recruit anyone, people come to the sport to watch / compete of their own accord and no-one would ever be turned away. It has long been a mystery why hardly anyone other than white people take an interest in speedway but it is nevertheless a fact. Interests and abilities differ between races in all sorts of ways. Apart from Antonio Lindback, I don't think there is a black speedway rider anywhere else worldwide - even in South Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I totally disagree with AndyM with his suggestion of recruiting people from minority groups to be I assume riders. There would be more objection about positive descrimination than the perceived problem in the first place. Not sure I agree. Surely any way of getting kids into speedway is a positve thing. I can't see there being many objections if a lot of youngsters from ethnic minorities were brought into the sport unless white kids were excluded from it to accomodate them - and nobody is suggesting that. At the end of the day a speedway rider will rise or fall on his own ability anyway. It's not exactly the sort of job where "positive descrimination" would have any real effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pints Or Points ? Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 We need to replace Nigel Pearson with a black man like Tim Westwood then we are on to something. Oh dear ..........www.timwestwood.com !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asturmer Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Apart from Antonio Lindback, I don't think there is a black speedway rider anywhere else worldwide - even in South Africa. I have seen a few Aborigine speedway riders in Australia.We have one here in Perth, called Sooty Pigram, who came from Broome in the tropical north and he is great entertainment value and a real tryer at the local track. He was quite a sensation at our last National Meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Not sure I agree. Surely any way of getting kids into speedway is a positve thing. I can't see there being many objections if a lot of youngsters from ethnic minorities were brought into the sport unless white kids were excluded from it to accomodate them - and nobody is suggesting that. At the end of the day a speedway rider will rise or fall on his own ability anyway. It's not exactly the sort of job where "positive descrimination" would have any real effect. I think the clue is in what AndyM said. He inferred we should recruit youngsters from minority groups which therefore could imply positive discrimination. Their ability would control their destiny after that but why give some preferred treatment to get started. If it was just to introduce them to the sport I have no probs with that, in fact that approach has already been tried in cricket in Yorkshire I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Apart from Antonio Lindback, I don't think there is a black speedway rider anywhere else worldwide - even in South Africa. Never heard of Cecil Forbes then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 UK Speedway is so desperate for talented young riders at the moment that I don't think it matters whether they are black, white, or yellow with green dots. Just find some promising riders, because the future of British speedway is looking decidedly dodgy at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 UK Speedway is so desperate for talented young riders at the moment that I don't think it matters whether they are black, white, or yellow with green dots. Just find some promising riders, because the future of British speedway is looking decidedly dodgy at the moment! I disagree. Haines, Roberts, Auty, Roynon, Bridger, Lawson etc Along with some Aussie kid, show the future to be fairly promising. It's the present which is dire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Never heard of Cecil Forbes then. There are at least 2 riders in Denmark as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I disagree. Haines, Roberts, Auty, Roynon, Bridger, Lawson etc Along with some Aussie kid, show the future to be fairly promising. It's the present which is dire. That's a bit naughty Blazeaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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