Paulco Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 The those who keep bringing up the old story of home track advantage,what advantage did Kauko have when he won the pairs alongside Nermark at Somerset? It didn't do team GB much good either at Coventry for that matter There was some superb racing last night from all the teams involved, the home and away fans all added to a great atmosphere, I have to admit without Nermark and an injured Stoney I didn't think we had a chance but Charles, Joe, Kauko and Stoney all gave it their best and came through winning Well done Comets! Kauko and Daniel won the Pairs because they were the best two riders on the night . But argueably the fours takes home advantage into the mix much more than the pairs . I accept the Comets must have rode well last night to win the event without having Nermark , but the mere fact Workington were able to do that without their top rider gives even more weight to the arguement about neutral venues . Hand on heart , how many Comets fans think they would have won ( with last nights four riders ) if the event had been at Birmingham or Edinburgh or Kings Lynn . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevan Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 TBH with Werner and Katt in the team most at Somerset didn't think the Rebels would get third in the group let alone in the final, it just goes to show what can happen when your four riders put there right head on whatever track they are riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Come on BSPA quash these home track advantage discussions after each big meeting, they totally discredit the sport imo!!!! Was the crowd larger at Worky than at Boro last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometsfan2k4 Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Kauko and Daniel won the Pairs because they were the best two riders on the night . But argueably the fours takes home advantage into the mix much more than the pairs . I accept the Comets must have rode well last night to win the event without having Nermark , but the mere fact Workington were able to do that without their top rider gives even more weight to the arguement about neutral venues . Hand on heart , how many Comets fans think they would have won ( with last nights four riders ) if the event had been at Birmingham or Edinburgh or Kings Lynn . Probably not, it would have been Birmingham, Edinburgh or Kings Lynn that would have won. Thats just the way these things go if they arent held on neutral tracks. Personaly, I think there should be a national track like Wembley is for football where all the super7even meetings are held and international meetings etc... but then again that probably wouldnt be possible due to the financial situation of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevcfc Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 was that the chequered flag? and where was the errr entertainment???the word borefest springs to mind (unless you were a worky or queens fan).definately not a meeting for a neutral!!!! ps/ well done to workington and kings lynn pps/KJ,if you stayed in and watched TV,you made a wise choice! Not for the first time this season, the excitement was in the closeness of the scores. The racing this season really has been a step back from previous years, and seemingly the only person not to accept this is Mr Denham Any rider who comes off the racing line loses ground, it took until the 14th heat last night before Jason King managed to pull off an excellent outside pass of Shaun Tacey. From time to time, riders are quoted in the programme as saying that it's one of the best tracks they've ridden all season. I'm sure it is, nice and smooth with very little in the way of nasty surprises. Unfortunately, this makes it crap to watch, with the vast majority of races all but over by the 2nd bend. I watched Jason Bunyan the other week, trying everything to find something out in that Sahara desert that masquerades itself as the outside line of our track, to no avail. I felt sorry for him, he couldn't have tried any harder, but all he did was go backwards. I won't hold my breath for anything to change any time soon, to some folk a good meeting is what's shown on the scorecard and not the actual racing on the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hannibal Thomas Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Bunyan is one of those riders who is a benchmark for how conductive to racing your track is. The guy is probably accross the board the most entertaining racer in the Premier League, and indeed hopeless at gating! Sadly in PL speedway the home track advantage trend is what is going to win honours with the league being decided by play offs. So expect to see the likes of Somerset, Workington, Sheffield, Kings Lynn and Rye House challenging for moons to come whilst the rest just hope for luck with team building every few years and see how it goes (ie newcastle and edinburgh!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 The those who keep bringing up the old story of home track advantage,what advantage did Kauko have when he won the pairs alongside Nermark at Somerset? It didn't do team GB much good either at Coventry for that matter There was some superb racing last night from all the teams involved, the home and away fans all added to a great atmosphere, I have to admit without Nermark and an injured Stoney I didn't think we had a chance but Charles, Joe, Kauko and Stoney all gave it their best and came through winning Well done Comets! The 4TT has been held at Workington 4 times and Worky have won it on 3 of those occasions. The other time in recent history that it was held at a PL venue was in 2003 at Swindon. Guess who won it.......Swindon Enough said. Worky won it fair and square in 2001 when it was held at Peterborough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Not for the first time this season, the excitement was in the closeness of the scores. The racing this season really has been a step back from previous years, and seemingly the only person not to accept this is Mr Denham Any rider who comes off the racing line loses ground, it took until the 14th heat last night before Jason King managed to pull off an excellent outside pass of Shaun Tacey. From time to time, riders are quoted in the programme as saying that it's one of the best tracks they've ridden all season. I'm sure it is, nice and smooth with very little in the way of nasty surprises. Unfortunately, this makes it crap to watch, with the vast majority of races all but over by the 2nd bend. I watched Jason Bunyan the other week, trying everything to find something out in that Sahara desert that masquerades itself as the outside line of our track, to no avail. I felt sorry for him, he couldn't have tried any harder, but all he did was go backwards. I won't hold my breath for anything to change any time soon, to some folk a good meeting is what's shown on the scorecard and not the actual racing on the track absolutely spot on,brilliant post from someone who you would expect to be biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't rather see the meeting held on a neutral track, Rob, as it does devalue the home team's win and indeed perhaps the competition as a whole. To his credit, Jonathan Chapman tried that last year and clearly it didn't work - if it had, then they would surely have done the same this year. It is, as many have said, a question of finance: make money if held at a track where the hosts are riding, lose money at a track where they aren't. As I say, I totally agree with you on neutral tracks but I can understand why they don't. If these shared events cannot stand on their own feet at a neutral venue then we really have to consider whether they are worth running at all. The fours as a concept with qualifying rounds is a strong one but I feel that endless Peterborough home wins devalued the product so severely that it can now only struggle on as a biased one-off event where qualification seems to be all about a team's ability to generate turnstile revenue rather than sporting prowess. The qualifiers became meaningless when you raced 64 heats to get to Alwalton then saw an even chance of your side being eliminated after just 8 more while you sat back and watched the home side win. I'm sure a lot of Workington fans went home happy last night, as I'm sure they do whenever the Comets get a home win. As a national title it's simply devalued. I'm obviously not privy to the financial results from last year's super seven series but if the neutral venue idea didn't work financially we really should be very concerned. Rob McCaffery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashman Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Kauko and Daniel won the Pairs because they were the best two riders on the night . But argueably the fours takes home advantage into the mix much more than the pairs . I accept the Comets must have rode well last night to win the event without having Nermark , but the mere fact Workington were able to do that without their top rider gives even more weight to the arguement about neutral venues . Hand on heart , how many Comets fans think they would have won ( with last nights four riders ) if the event had been at Birmingham or Edinburgh or Kings Lynn . well been totally honest i didnt think we had a chance of winning it, but the lads dug deep .. people are saying home advantage and the like. but remember we had three engine failures as well. maybe some of the other teams wernt up to the mark last night. they all must have fancied there chances with the worky team that was racing. some of it is nothing but sour grapes, the best team would have won who ever they were. wonder what would be getting said on this forum if we hadnt qualified to get into the finals. answers on a postcard please.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Addison Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Money money money. And crowd sizes. At least the home crowd can turn up if nobody else etc. Wherever it is you'll get the comments. Hold it at Kings Lynn and you've got an unfair advantage to everyone else, same goes for if it was at Sheffield with my team, and it'll happen at Worky. I suppose really you have to decide where to have it but there should be a group of tracks who have the facilities and the capacity to hold the shared events and rotate them yearly round those tracks. This isn't really the thread for it mind but that's my opinion. What was so wrong about holding it at Peterborough ? It used to be one of the highlights of the season, a full sunday afternoon out, and a big crowd. Do they bid to hold the meetings now, and if so is it just about going to the highest bidder ? , these things are never explained to us, after all we are only the paying public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well done to Worky,that`s the pairs and the 4`s now,very good,although I have to say I doubt they would have won the 4`s with that team anywhere else,still a good performance to win any meeting. Very pleased with my team Somerset who really surprised a few people I`d say, Doyley must be now one of the favourites for thr Prem Riders Crown.Friends of mine who went tell me the meeting was an absolute belter. Good luck to the Rebels tonight at Stoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Addison Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I`d say, Doyley must be now one of the favourites for thr Prem Riders Crown. Got to agree, i think he has a very good chance at Owlerton. One of the favourites to win it along with Kevin Doolan if i was putting money on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Personaly, I think there should be a national track like Wembley is for football where all the super7even meetings are held if that ever did happen, i would hope the track was better prepared than Cardiff. if not, all we'd get was another Motocross bloodbath Not for the first time this season, the excitement was in the closeness of the scores. The racing this season really has been a step back from previous years, and seemingly the only person not to accept this is Mr Denham can't you speak to him and find out his comments on the matter? you never know, it may be rider request? too many guys nowadays can't handle dirt so a nice, smooth circuit makes it so much easier to set their bikes up for a quick getaway. of course, it's the paying punter who misses out on the entertainment value but what does anyone care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jill Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 well been totally honest i didnt think we had a chance of winning it, but the lads dug deep .. people are saying home advantage and the like. but remember we had three engine failures as well. maybe some of the other teams wernt up to the mark last night. they all must have fancied there chances with the worky team that was racing. some of it is nothing but sour grapes, the best team would have won who ever they were. wonder what would be getting said on this forum if we hadnt qualified to get into the finals. answers on a postcard please.? agree with you totally.... we were the team with most of the bad luck on the night with 3 ef's no Danny and stoney not fully fit i was suprised we got to the finals... credit to all the lads but extra special credit to Charles Wright he rode his bloody socks off and done himself anf the fans proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well done to the Comets, deserved winners on the night. Good atmosphere due to the "popularity" of Somerset and KL with the flat cappers in the stadium, biggest cheer of the night when Doyle was passed by Hall, closely followed by the cheer when Niemenen rode over the white line on the first 2 turns to get under Topinka in the run off. Poor racing strip not for first time this season at Worky by all accounts and the first and last races of the night showed early on the racers in the teams would be lucky to get much out of the glass like surface. Jason King was my rider of the meeting until Richard Hall somehow managed to pull off a brace of passes in the last few races of the final. Its been 5 years since i summoned up the will to go to a shared event and its unlikely i'll waste my money again if the racings going to be as bad as this. To quote another fan "a absolutely feral meeting"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well done to the Comets, deserved winners on the night. Good atmosphere due to the "popularity" of Somerset and KL with the flat cappers in the stadium, biggest cheer of the night when Doyle was passed by Hall, closely followed by the cheer when Niemenen rode over the white line on the first 2 turns to get under Topinka in the run off. Poor racing strip not for first time this season at Worky by all accounts and the first and last races of the night showed early on the racers in the teams would be lucky to get much out of the glass like surface. Jason King was my rider of the meeting until Richard Hall somehow managed to pull off a brace of passes in the last few races of the final. Its been 5 years since i summoned up the will to go to a shared event and its unlikely i'll waste my money again if the racings going to be as bad as this. To quote another fan "a absolutely feral meeting"...... kings lynn should have won as they had more race winners instead of a run off also lets get back to peterborough then i will start going back to the fours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanisnumber1 Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Come on BSPA quash these home track advantage discussions after each big meeting, they totally discredit the sport imo!!!! Well dont think there will be a big home track advantage for PLRC somehow...Compton not having his best season at home and has been blown away on quite a few occasions this season...riders like Doolan, Topinka, Doyle, Ostergaard, Lyons and Nermark if he is fit will all have a good chance of winning!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well dont think there will be a big home track advantage for PLRC somehow...Compton not having his best season at home and has been blown away on quite a few occasions this season...riders like Doolan, Topinka, Doyle, Ostergaard, Lyons and Nermark if he is fit will all have a good chance of winning!! Don't know whether Topinka will qualify for the PLRC, and I don't think that I have ever seen Doyle go that well around Sheffield, but the others are more than capable of beating Andre 2008, also I would add to that list Tai Woffenden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Don't know whether Topinka will qualify for the PLRC, and I don't think that I have ever seen Doyle go that well around Sheffield, but the others are more than capable of beating Andre 2008, also I would add to that list Tai Woffenden. Plus riders such as James born again Owlerton specialist Grieves (assuming of course he rides and not Havvy) and Adrian Rymel are capable of spoiling the party for the obvious favourites. Unless Andre is saving his very best for his own individual glory I can't see there being any home track advantage in the PLRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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