Trees Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 have to say i'm not in the least bit disappointed about our result. it's a Mickey Mouse competition and, considering we didn't have our number 1, i'm just relieved the others are returning injury free. Ah but you would say that KJ lol .................. good win by the Comets, great for their fans, sorry that Tomas just couldn't get the better of Kauko in the run off, the win would have been just deserts for our top two who were denied a chance of winning the Pairs. Coventry or Peterborough would have been good neutral venues to hold the meeting imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Why should it be put to bed? The 4TT used to be one of the highlights of the speedway season in the days of regional qualifiers and a finals day at a neutral venue. The current qualifying system is an absolute joke - how can it be right that Redcar for example with a top 4 of Havelock, Grieves, Proctor and Kerr were not even there? (and that's from a Newcastle fan). The collective will of the BSPA continues to ignore the request to bring back the qualifiers - why? Promoters always moan about poor crowds and surely these meetings are guaranteed to pull in good crowds. I just cant understand it.  As someone has just said it is a mickey mouse competition. Unless there is a fair qualifying system and the finals are held at a neutral venue it will always be a mickey mouse competition.  Yeah you can say that, but this would create an even more fixture overload if you include qualifying rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) Yeah you can say that, but this would create an even more fixture overload if you include qualifying rounds. Â Fixture overload!!! Come on Newcastle have had two or three blank dates this year - qualifiers would only mean one extra home meeting for each track. Â As I understand it there are a number of promoters who are very keen to see the regional qualifiers brought back. Peter Waite said as much in the winter. Edited July 26, 2008 by NJC71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervjankefanclub Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) Fixture overload!!! Come on Newcastle have had two or three blank dates this year - qualifiers would only mean one extra home meeting for each track. As I understand it there are a number of promoters who are very keen to see the regional qualifiers brought back. Peter Waite said as much in the winter.  its definately a money spinner for the northern promoters as the qualifiers were always well attended over the weekend but from what others have said it looks as though the southern promoters arent too keen to see them return unfortunately Edited July 27, 2008 by mervjankefanclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well Done to the Comets, I see the home advantage debate has already started on here, and quite frankly people should put this debate to bed, Â Why? Â A thing is either right or wrong. Workington's win is as devalued as any team in the same situation, especially Peterborough's many wins on their home track in the same competition. Â Good, so Comets won a home meeting with a rider injured. Hasn't that happened a few times elsewhere? Â I would be quite delighted for Workington and their supporters to win this tournament, on a neutral track. Â Still, this is speedway and if the right thing is too hard to do we'll just come up with a convenient laughable bodge and hope too many don't notice. Â Rob McCaffery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Just back from this match. Maybe it should have been renamed the Premier League Gaters Championship because, especially in the two semi-finals, the ...errr....racing resulted in two hours or so of utter tedium. Talk about gate and go! The only redeeming race of the 16 was in the second semi-final when Jason King did what no one else managed by actually passing someone (other than on the first two bends) - Shaun Tacey in the seventh of the eight heats in brilliant style. Considering the efforts of all the other riders it was unique! Â The final was more interesting mainly because of the see-sawing of the scores and the ultimate tenseness of the last race when it was all up for grabs. The best effort came from Richard Hall in heat 12 to pass Jason Doyle relegating the previously unbeaten Somerset man to third. In the run off Kauko Nieminen changed lines brilliantly round the first two bends which completely fooled Tomas Topinka. It got him to the front of bend two and that was that. Â Did Workington deserve to win? Yes probably they did. They didn't have much luck with injuries prior to the meeting nor with engine problems for Joe Haines and Kauko Nieminen during the meeting. They certainly made some electric starts all down the line and that proved decisive. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hannibal Thomas Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 It was much more important in 1981, wasn't it? Mind you, what wasn't much more important in 1981. It's sad to see events such as the Fours being so devalued - used to be real highlights of the season. But perhaps they belong to the past. Too true, the fours should remain back then, i can't believe it made it to the 90's. Â time to end the 4TT & Pairs, they are at most meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Too true, the fours should remain back then, i can't believe it made it to the 90's. time to end the 4TT & Pairs, they are at most meaningless. I would have the Pairs . It has taken on a new lease of life since it has went to the wonderful Somerset track on the eve of the GP . But the fours is definently a tournament too far .  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Why? Â A thing is either right or wrong. Workington's win is as devalued as any team in the same situation, especially Peterborough's many wins on their home track in the same competition. Â Good, so Comets won a home meeting with a rider injured. Hasn't that happened a few times elsewhere? Â I would be quite delighted for Workington and their supporters to win this tournament, on a neutral track. Â Still, this is speedway and if the right thing is too hard to do we'll just come up with a convenient laughable bodge and hope too many don't notice. Â Rob McCaffery. Â I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't rather see the meeting held on a neutral track, Rob, as it does devalue the home team's win and indeed perhaps the competition as a whole. Â To his credit, Jonathan Chapman tried that last year and clearly it didn't work - if it had, then they would surely have done the same this year. Â It is, as many have said, a question of finance: make money if held at a track where the hosts are riding, lose money at a track where they aren't. As I say, I totally agree with you on neutral tracks but I can understand why they don't. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcrust Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Don't know how you restrained yourself form posting on the updates SS.......I tried so very hard but failed miserably  Quite simply it wasn't worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisle_comet Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Thought it was a great meeting last night, every rider gave 100%to win and was realy impressed with some visiting riders, Jason King, Richard hall and Frampton. As for the comets it was just a great team effort for Charles and Joe hains to come in and ride like that unbelievable, Stoney obviously in alot of pain that why he is Mr Workington. Nemo, is just a joy to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well Done to the Comets, I see the home advantage debate has already started on here, and quite frankly people should put this debate to bed, Workington did not have their number 1 rider, one of the other regular top 4 was not fully fit, so this was an excellent win. Â Well that just make the home advantage debate even greater. Â Anywhere else the Comets would most certainly have not got in the top 4 without Nermark, let alone win it. It just proves home advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcrust Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well that just make the home advantage debate even greater. Anywhere else the Comets would most certainly have not got in the top 4 without Nermark, let alone win it. It just proves home advantage.  But it's also fair to say that Tomas Topinka went unbeaten through the card tonight APART from the one that counted. He beat Nieminen into last place in Heat 12 of the final, just didn't do it when it mattered.  It all came down to that one last race, Worky won, KL didn't.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzell Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Congratulations Workington, and a BIG well done to Kings Lynn for Runner Up spot. Â Like they say Lynn fans, "WE CANT WIN THEM ALL" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsteve Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 What a great nights entertainment. All credit given to all riders because every race had a climax A big well done to Nemo for the finale what a race off - the lad sed before the meeting that he wanted this trophy and now hes got it fair play to him. I would also like to thank all the travelling supporters from all over the country as the atmosphere in derwent park was simply brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 All credit given to all riders because every race had a climax was that the chequered flag? and where was the errr entertainment???the word borefest springs to mind (unless you were a worky or queens fan).definately not a meeting for a neutral!!!! ps/ well done to workington and kings lynn pps/KJ,if you stayed in and watched TV,you made a wise choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 was that the chequered flag? and where was the errr entertainment???the word borefest springs to mind (unless you were a worky or queens fan).definately not a meeting for a neutral!!!! ps/ well done to workington and kings lynn pps/KJ,if you stayed in and watched TV,you made a wise choice! I kinda gathered that . Just been reading elsewhere that the Worky track curator has left and he was not happy about the way he's been told to prepare the track . These big meetings should be a showcase for the PL ( like the pairs was ) , not a gate and go borefest . We can watch that sort of nonsense on the telly every Monday night if that's our thing . Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't rather see the meeting held on a neutral track, Rob, as it does devalue the home team's win and indeed perhaps the competition as a whole. To his credit, Jonathan Chapman tried that last year and clearly it didn't work - if it had, then they would surely have done the same this year.  It is, as many have said, a question of finance: make money if held at a track where the hosts are riding, lose money at a track where they aren't. As I say, I totally agree with you on neutral tracks but I can understand why they don't.  Finance shouldn't really be relevant. The money will be shared anyway so even a profit or loss of + or - £15,000 boils down to £1,000 per track anyway.  The priority should be to create a credible event that people want to go and watch. I don't think last year's one-off return to neutral tracks gave it a fair chance.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skid row Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 The those who keep bringing up the old story of home track advantage,what advantage did Kauko have when he won the pairs alongside Nermark at Somerset? It didn't do team GB much good either at Coventry for that matter  There was some superb racing last night from all the teams involved, the home and away fans all added to a great atmosphere, I have to admit without Nermark and an injured Stoney I didn't think we had a chance but Charles, Joe, Kauko and Stoney all gave it their best and came through winning Well done Comets!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashman Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well done Workington, unlucky Stars and particularly Tomas. Home *cough* advantage *cough* pan calling kettle black or what. obviously none at N Arena then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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