JanusMillard Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 If e.g. six riders are tied on both points and number of 1st, 2nd 3rd and 4th places after heat 20 in a Speedway Grand Prix, how will they be ranked if, Rider A has beaten rider B, D and E Rider B has beaten rider C, E and F Rider C has beaten rider A, E and F Rider D has beaten rider B and C Rider E has beaten rider D and F Rider F has beaten rider A and D As I read it, the official Grand Prix Regulations (http://www.fim.ch/EN/rules/Sportifs/ccpGP/2008/077_en.pdf) are not quite clear about a situation like this. It only says what should happens if three riders are tied. I assume that precedence will be given to rider A, B and C, as they have all beaten three of the other involved riders, and rider D, E and F only has beaten two. But how will rider A, B and C be ranked among themselves and how will rider D, E and F? Best regards, Janus Millard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 If all things are equal, I believe it comes down to race jacket number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Janus...in the case you've written - A, B and C will be decided by their GP numbers (not meeting number, but GP ranking number) and after that order is arranged D, E and F will also be decided that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Which isn't a particularly good method, given that the numbers are not necessarily allocated fairly. For example, Messrs Jonsson and Harris are allocated lower numbers than Lukas Dryml, who actually qualified for the GPs, whereas Jonsson and Harris were nominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I'm not just assuming this, I think I've either read it or heard it from a rider/official or whatever... The FIM consider selected permanent wildcards as higher ranked riders than those who qualify by following the process. Therefore, they use the ranking number as the final deciding system in cases like above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanusMillard Posted July 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Janus...in the case you've written - A, B and C will be decided by their GP numbers (not meeting number, but GP ranking number) and after that order is arranged D, E and F will also be decided that way. Thanks Steve, but are you sure, that D, E and F will be decided by GP ranking number, as E has beaten both D and F, and F has beaten D? Are you sure that they would go straight to GP ranking number? /Janus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I'm not just assuming this, I think I've either read it or heard it from a rider/official or whatever... The FIM consider selected permanent wildcards as higher ranked riders than those who qualify by following the process. Therefore, they use the ranking number as the final deciding system in cases like above. Then why aren't "selected permanent wildcards" Fredrik Lindgren and Krzysztof Kasprzak higher in the order than Lukas Dryml? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Janus, don't be offended but I was falling asleep making mental notes of it all (Have you tried Carlo Rossi rosé wine with brandy and lemonade ? It's good ! ) Reading that set of three again - apologies... It would clearly be E, then F and finally D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Then why aren't "selected permanent wildcards" Fredrik Lindgren and Krzysztof Kasprzak higher in the order than Lukas Dryml? Well I have to assume with that one. But it seems like they've decided that riders who've been in the previous series get the best ranking, qualifiers come next in line, then it's the guys that don't fall in to either category. Which must also mean they chose Kasprzak to be above Lindgren in the rankings. Agreed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) I agree that is a probability, although it does contradict your previous statement. I don't agree with the system, which is deeply flawed. Edited July 5, 2008 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I can't say it's perfect, but I do consider it less corrupt, false or inept than all other regular motorsport world championships. Generally, money talks everywhere else...at least we have some kind of recognisable qualifying system Anyway, that's for another time maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 If all things are equal, I believe it comes down to race jacket number. What ever became of good old straight forward exciting race offs to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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