"british Fans A Disgrace"

[gaptooth]

you've lost me now i'm afraid!!

 

F1 driver from the 70`s , got a bit warm after a crash

[shazzybird]

Nicki never said any of that not one "ya know"

[Danish Dave]

Was you watching the same meeting he was a dirty cheating git! nothing more nothing less and that from a Moron who booed him! If Nicki hadn't of made his foul move the referee wouldn't of had to make the decision!!!!

 

 

Well thats just stupid. Any other case of 2 riders coming together on the first bend would just be looked over. There was nothing dirty about Pedersen or Adams.

 

You have no reason to dislike him, had Scott Nicholls been in yellow I guarantee you would of been saying you agree with Adams exclusion.

 

 

[Mark]

Some good points made here but can I come back with a counter arguement

 

I attended the Parken GP.

 

1. Drunks were dropping pints of lager from the top tier on to the bottom tier spectators. Despite repeated requests to the security absolutely zitch was done. At £4 a pint, that's madness.

 

2. I sat behind 4 swedish people, a family group who were kitted out in Swedish gear & with flags. A Danish guy, sitting directly in front of the family, turned around midway through the evening & threatened the teenage girl. He had clearly had one too many but to threaten an 18yo, to promise to break her flag in half if she waved it again, was bloody awful to witness.

 

The point I'm making is that a few beers, a bit of patroitism, the pantomine villian in Nikki P, can cause a reaction. If he was a footballer he'd get far worse each week playing away from home.

 

Please see my other comments on another thread, I thought Nikki P was harshly treated but he's not been blameless in the past in GP's having knocked off Greg Hancock etc. Hans is a super lad & top rider but he's been a pillock as well on occasions.

 

Get over it.

[LisaColette]

F1 driver from the 70`s , got a bit warm after a crash

 

oh ok. knew he was an f1 driver. but thats all i know.

 

i just meant with all the talking about nicki, his ears must be hot.

 

[SuzieQ]

I'm gonna cut to the chase here. Hans & Nicki are hard riders. Scotty and the rest of the moaning Brits are too nice and dive like Ronaldo. Who is more likely to be receiving the gold medal at the World Cup in a few weeks??? Certainly not the 'oh 15 points is still good in a final' crew

 

But Rob, have you ever realised that you actually sound like one of those "moaning Brits" ? that is all you seem to do!

 

[shazzybird]

Not if he was the one in the wrong ...... which I don't think Leigh was, the only reason Bjarne was excluded was because the ref had made a rubbishe decision earlier in similar curcumstances and couldn't be seen to be inconsistent.

[gaptooth]

oh ok. knew he was an f1 driver. but thats all i know.

 

i just meant with all the talking about nicki, his ears must be hot.

Yeah i know just takin the piss

[Saint Rob]

My moaning is different. I moan about how crap we are. Everyone else moans about how unlucky we always seem to be at the world cups & gp's

[gaptooth]

My moaning is different. I moan about how crap we are. Everyone else moans about how unlucky we always seem to be at the world cups & gp's

 

Well this is the British Speedway Moaners Forum is it not?

[Davew329]

 

Perasonally didnt boo Nicki until the holta accident when Nicki was up and ready to have a go at holta until he realised his bike was damaged and was instantly shot by a sniper in the crowd and fell down like a sack of spuds.Think you will also find Nicki's tumbles as you so put it were just them sliding off but the Iversen/Harris crash was nasty and both riders got a big ovation for getting to there feet.

Don't disagree that Nicki took a tough fall in final but just proves that he made a meal of the Adams/perdersen incidents to make sure the mechanics got his bike ready,but im also not blinkered enough to think other riders do this aswell so maybe FIM need to look at it in more detail.

[WIE-JA]

but they are not supposed to as that is classed as an unsatisfactory start.

There is supposed to be a marker 30 metres after the start where a rider must stay straight until that point .

Unless they have changed the rule or they just turn a blind eye to it.

Can anyone on here clarify

Iff I remember corectly the 30 yard rule dates back to when races were started by push starts.Riders had pushers to assist them but after the marker they were on their own iff the bike hadn't started.The 30 yard marker would be half way round the 1st turn at Mildenhall, so it obviously dosn't refer to were riders can turn.

[shortoi]

Is this thread really necessary? Can't the mods close it, move it to the GP section or merge it with one of the dozens of other Cardiff threads?

 

I highly doubt any new ground is going to be covered, it's all been said, argued, argued back and said again 6 times on all those threads already.

[shortoi]

Nicki never said any of that not one "ya know"

 

Cor that doesn't half get on my nerves in rider interviews! Like a flipping dripping tap.

 

I think when I had sky the most I clocked was 37 times in a 1 minute interview Can't remember who the culprit was though.

 

If I knew, I wouldn't be asking!!

[saranam]

certainly in the seventies that was the rule no crossing bfor 30yards and a marker was always there, the fact that there is no marker any more would suggest the rule has gone, as fasr as i am concerned he is reaping the rewards of his past. if he thinks that all is forgotten because he thinks he has changed well it doesnt work that way, the fact is he has not made himself popular end off

[uk_martin]

There are an awful lot of times that "All Four Back" is a simple cop-out decision for a ref to make. This ref made some decisions. Shame that they were wrong ones. Seems that anything you do can get you shot...including doing nothing.

 

The reason I think Pedersen got stick was because of the same reason that Drogba and Ronaldo get stick in football. They go over too easilly and try to get an advantage from it. They don't get the advantage from being good at their game, they do it from being good at their gamesmanship (some call it cheating). The problem is that Pedersen had a rubbish first heat, and needed "something extra" in his other races to gain his points, and getting riders excluded by looking like an innocent victim and conning the referee was his way of doing it. He's an old pro, he knows he's get booed for it, but its points that win World championships, not popularity, so he went with it.

 

Maybe Simon Cowell could run a Speedway Championship - The S Factor - or something, with telephone voting from the public, then we'd see a different Nicki Pedersen, I'm sure.

 

[gothiclives]

Considering I was in the front row I doubt it was me, although I was quite vocal on the refs decisions!

 

realy am glad to know im not the only one. i had some rather dirty looks for some of the language used at some stages of the meeting.

 

but craig is right- the ref should not be allowed to continue with his job at this level.

in another topic i saw a quotation of the ref saying that he followed the rules- what rules was he following then?

not many that i reconise that is for sure!

 

as for the booing being disgraceful- hands up all those who have been to a GP when a single dane HASN'T been booed?!

lol

[Wackie]

I really can't believe that anyone thinks these guys deliberately run into the back of each other, falling off a motorbike at 50mph just to try and gain an advantage. They could be killed by a following rider hitting them!

 

Not if they were last out of the gate they wouldn't.

 

 

 

I think NP was in the wrong place at the wrong tome on a number of occasions.

 

yeah, at the back.

 

Anyway, the whole pantomime villan thing is great. I used to love booing Martin 'Mad Dog' Dixon

 

Andre Compton & Stoney still get a "warm welcome" from the home fans at Smallmead too.

 

[Danish Dave]

There are an awful lot of times that "All Four Back" is a simple cop-out decision for a ref to make. This ref made some decisions. Shame that they were wrong ones. Seems that anything you do can get you shot...including doing nothing.

 

The reason I think Pedersen got stick was because of the same reason that Drogba and Ronaldo get stick in football. They go over too easilly and try to get an advantage from it. They don't get the advantage from being good at their game, they do it from being good at their gamesmanship (some call it cheating). The problem is that Pedersen had a rubbish first heat, and needed "something extra" in his other races to gain his points, and getting riders excluded by looking like an innocent victim and conning the referee was his way of doing it. He's an old pro, he knows he's get booed for it, but its points that win World championships, not popularity, so he went with it.

 

Maybe Simon Cowell could run a Speedway Championship - The S Factor - or something, with telephone voting from the public, then we'd see a different Nicki Pedersen, I'm sure.

 

Interesting theory.

 

So if Pedersen was purposely coming off gate 4 to get the rider off gate 1 excluded, why did he choose gate 2 in the final when he could of gone for the outside once more?

[spin king]

Another thread on the same subject, this is becoming a bit of a pain, but once again I will say this Nicki will not have been effected by the booing, in fact if anything he will have been spurred on.

Nicki has been involved in so many controversial decisions over the years if I had a pound for everyone I would be a very rich man, and I am sure that Nicki will not be bothered as on more occasions the decisions go his way, and Nicki knows the when to stay down and when to get off the track quickly.

Again I will say that I did not boo Nicki, I like the guy, I think he adds spice to the Grand Prix, and I think that the Grand Prix would be a dull place without him.