leanne1706 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Bless! Oh purlease! Seriously, how can you tell he did it on purpose? You're making the assumption that he did it on purpose, let's be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kluson Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 The blame should be with the ref, he really was rubbish, The track was rubbish also riders of any level shouldn't have to put up with crap ref's and such a dangerous track. Some was say that Football fans would not be moaning about divers, well I can assure you they do, but again the refs are to blame. Footballers aren't actually putting their lives at risk though and on a track like Cardiff on Saturday there were for sure lives at risk, these are the best riders and most experienced riders in the world, someone please listen to them! additionally they don't deserve such poor refereeing. anyone booked for next year?..... Can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I have been to every Cardiff GP but had to miss this years so watched on telly but I thoughtit was really entertaining stuff. It wasn't all about the starts or who had the fastest machine and those riders who have the skill to cope with a rutted track shone through. Certainly much better than the slick bore fests we usually see on GP nights. Only thing that spoiled it was the ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Anybody who has watched NP over the years knows that he has two plans when he arrives at the tapes. Plan A make the gate, blast away and win (Perfect)! Plan B if he misses the gate cause a first bend 'incident and get an all four restart so he gets another chance to gate. On Saturday he hit the back of Adams and Pederson on PURPOSE and conned the ref into making a stupid decision. I don't think he expected them to be excluded just to get a restart. In the previous GP he chopped right across Crumpy causing him to shut off on the first bend. I wonder who would have been excluded if Crumpy had kept going and crashed into him ? Last year in one of the GP's Pederson was up to his usual tricks and the SKY presenter asked Sam Ermolenko and Billy Hamill who were in the studio what they thought. Both said he's a dangerous rider. That was good enough for me coming from two former world champions. You must be the only speedway fan that does not know of the fued by Americans toward Nicki. Sam is hardly objective on anything when Nicki is the subject. It is embarrassing for Sam to praise him when Kelvin just has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 You must be the only speedway fan that does not know of the fued by Americans toward Nicki.well having been driven into a fence half way down a straight by pedersen would kinda colour ermolenko's view wouldnt it? Pedersen is a dangerous rider and he deserves all the crap he gets. One day his "tactics" will end up with him copping an injury and i wont give a crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Oh purlease! Seriously, how can you tell he did it on purpose? You're making the assumption that he did it on purpose, let's be honest. Educated assumption, based on his reputation, his arrogance, his previous record, his ruthless persuit of the world title at any cost, his poor starts on the night, etc. Saying all that, I love the fact that he is around, as its never boring, but as long as, once in a while, he gets his just desserts. And on saturday night, it looked like that was going to happen, until he realised his position, and the antics started. A journalist you say? Can I take a guess, and say, Heat magazine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Educated assumption, based on his reputation, his arrogance, his previous record, his ruthless persuit of the world title at any cost, his poor starts on the night, etc. Saying all that, I love the fact that he is around, as its never boring, but as long as, once in a while, he gets his just desserts. And on saturday night, it looked like that was going to happen, until he realised his position, and the antics started. A journalist you say? Can I take a guess, and say, Heat magazine? At least you're being honest now - it was an assumption. I agree that it would be boring if Nicki weren't around. To be fair, where else would the entertainment have come from on Saturday night if he wasn't there? The racing wasn't up to much, IMO. When you say he should get his just desserts, at least you mean he should have a poor GP... others on here are saying and giving the impression he should suffer an injury. That's not right. And no, not 'Heat' magazine. Far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 At least you're being honest now - it was an assumption. I agree that it would be boring if Nicki weren't around. To be fair, where else would the entertainment have come from on Saturday night if he wasn't there? The racing wasn't up to much, IMO. When you say he should get his just desserts, at least you mean he should have a poor GP... others on here are saying and giving the impression he should suffer an injury. That's not right. And no, not 'Heat' magazine. Far from it. Only pulling your leg! Seriously tho, never would I want a rider to suffer an injury just because he's a naughty boy. Although, when Holta took him out, I did jump out of my seat, but felt very guilty afterwards. Thats what Nicki does to you. I guess, without it, there would be something missing from the GP series, but as I've said on this forum since Cardiff, he is experienced enough to know when and how to use the rules to his full advantage, and being world champion, he knows he will get more than his fair share of contentious decisions. On Saturday, he missed the gate every time, and when he needed to get some points from his last 2 rides, took the opportunity to try his luck, and he succeeded in gaining out of it, when we all know, he conned the ref. Maybe, Nicki knows how he officiates from riding in Poland. I don't know. But everybody watching, knew his predicament, and the fact he, not only gained from his antics, but at the expense of 2 others, we got all this reaction to the outcome. If he now goes on to win the title by a few points, I for one, will not be able to bring myself to recognise the fact. But, as I said previously, the series would not be the same, without him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Only pulling your leg! Seriously tho, never would I want a rider to suffer an injury just because he's a naughty boy. Although, when Holta took him out, I did jump out of my seat, but felt very guilty afterwards. Thats what Nicki does to you. I guess, without it, there would be something missing from the GP series, but as I've said on this forum since Cardiff, he is experienced enough to know when and how to use the rules to his full advantage, and being world champion, he knows he will get more than his fair share of contentious decisions. On Saturday, he missed the gate every time, and when he needed to get some points from his last 2 rides, took the opportunity to try his luck, and he succeeded in gaining out of it, when we all know, he conned the ref. Maybe, Nicki knows how he officiates from riding in Poland. I don't know. But everybody watching, knew his predicament, and the fact he, not only gained from his antics, but at the expense of 2 others, we got all this reaction to the outcome. If he now goes on to win the title by a few points, I for one, will not be able to bring myself to recognise the fact. But, as I said previously, the series would not be the same, without him! Got to say, I completely agree! Of course luck was on his side, but does that count as cheating? He didn't deliberately knock anyone off, crash into anyone etc etc, so is he a cheat? Really? A lucky guy, yes. A cheat, not IMO. I wonder what the WTC will bring?! Perhaps Hans will take centre stage and complain about Bomber being a Conference League rider again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 At least you're being honest now - it was an assumption. I agree that it would be boring if Nicki weren't around. To be fair, where else would the entertainment have come from on Saturday night if he wasn't there? The racing wasn't up to much, IMO. When Scott and Bomber passed Nicki Bjarne passing Hans Hancock and Crump passing all before them Hans had 1 lap of brilliance before he fell off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Time was when Hans Andersen held that dubious honour. It was awarded by some contributors to this forum after his alleged cheating in a decisive heat in the World Cup. I think it was in 2004. On that basis I wonder who it will be in 2012 - in the opinion of the usual pundits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 How can Nicki Pedersen be the biggest cheat in Speedway? He's only 5 ft 3. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I clearly heard Nikki in the post match interview say "I had to put the bike down on a couple of occasions". Read into that what you will. says all you need to know i say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Don't have time to read everything so can someone tell me, briefly, how exactly did Nicki cheat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Don't have time to read everything so can someone tell me, briefly, how exactly did Nicki cheat? many, me included, seem to think that he cleverly took a dive on both occasions when he couldnt come across to clamp those on the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 How can Nicki Pedersen be the biggest cheat in Speedway? He's only 5 ft 3. All the best Rob Oh dear...and you'd been doing so well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee fan aytchy Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 my personel opinion is that in the heats nicki could of got up , the bjarne and leigh adams exclusions i mean , he stayed down to bend the rules to an extent because he didnt make the start , the referee was the person to blame for the terrible decisions nicki was playing the game to be honest, i think the reaction of the crowd is what they feel that second not there proper reaction i think if you went to 80% of the crowd that were booing and stuff they wouldnt do it if they had a minute or two to think about it . my instant reaction was the cheating swine i hope he comes off now ...................in the light of day and time to think i was like , well anyone in that position would do the same . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 How can Nicki Pedersen be the biggest cheat in Speedway? He's only 5 ft 3. All the best Rob Hahah good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady s Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) How can Nicki Pedersen be the biggest cheat in Speedway? He's only 5 ft 3. All the best Rob and you know what they say good things come in small packages and for me nicki is the complet package would pick him every time over the likes of nichollos or crump Edited July 4, 2008 by lady s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 many, me included, seem to think that he cleverly took a dive on both occasions when he couldnt come across to clamp those on the inside. Taking a dive suggests there was no contact. Clearly there was significant contact in both incidents. in the light of day and time to think i was like , well anyone in that position would do the same . Exaclty. Any rider worth his place in a team or individual meeting would stay down after a first bend incident in which there has been contact. Cheating is sliding off on your own and trying to get the race stopped. As I said, I haven't read all the comments but I wonder how many recognise the difference between Nicki staying down on the first turn and him chasing the bike to clear the track after a very nasty looking fall in the final? The only rider deserving of the boos was Hans (who I like BTW) for spraying Freddie (who's a dirty dog ) with dirt after he had failed to free his bike from the air fence, forcing a re-run when Hans had been leading comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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