Vince Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 ah dont believe the hype.............. Nicki scored 11 points (and that was 4 more than he should have had!) and has Crumpy breathing down his neck.......he had to blame something didnt he?........... if he thinks that he can whip up the support of the other GP riders then he is mistaken Didn't Hancock also hint at something similar? I would bet that there is a deal of unrest among the riders given the state of two recent GP tracks. I think perhaps a few of you should try falling off a Speedway bike before suggesting that riders do it on purpose as often as some would have you believe. I can't say it never happens but at least in the incident with Leigh Adams last night I can't see how Nicki P could have stayed on his bike - all 4 back would have been fair. I would also doubt that any rider would have been keen to go down deliberately even once on a track where a rut could have turned it into a highside or a broken leg very easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 IMO, Pedersen was missing gates all night. In th first incident with Adams, he missed again, so he took his chance to steer into Leighs' bike, then went down, hoping to at least get an all 4 back. The Referee( I use the term very losely with this idiot), made the worst decision in GP history, and Nicky got lucky. The referee was not expecting to have to make the same horrendous decision so soon after the first, but his poor judgement in the first incident gave him no option in the second. If anybody wants to know how incensed the crowd were, then they should have been there to see the reaction from the crowd, especially behind me, above the start/finish line. How often do you see the security have to intervene between the ref and the crowd at a speedway meet? Nicky is a great rider, but there are parts of his game that are not welcome in the arena by the majority of speedway people. He has plenty of ability to be a success, without resorting to the tactics he uses when his back is against the wall. No other rider would have got away with what he did last night, but then again, IMO, I don't think there are many, if any at all, that would do what he does. Of course, he can't be 100% sure what decision a referee will make, but he uses the rules in an unsporting manner if things aren't going his way, and with a weak referee, he knows that being world champion will get him more than his fair share of favourable decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 An absolutely controversial meeting, but I loved it. It made great watching and kept me on the edge of my seat, which was welcome after the hangover from Friday night. I have no voice left! Same here. Can I also thank to nice girl just in front of me whos programme I kept stealing. Cheers Luce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortoi Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 personally i thought the only thing worse than the refereeing last night was moronic members of the crowd booing nicki pedersen. the man is world champion,was a great servant to british speedway for many years until the ludicrous points limit forced him out,and who in an attempt to entertain us last night ended up on the floor on four occasions. he deserves respect,and the lynch mob should stick to cock fighting and dog baiting,true sports for the yob and bully Oh hatcham, thank you for making me giggle today! A bit bias are we? What exactly does he deserve respect for? Crump and Hancock got to the final without dirty tricks and help from the referee. Twice he lays the bike down with minimal contact, slides gently into the air fence and stays down to force a re-run, and then the one time he took a tumble that could possibly have injured him he was up like a shot to save losing his place on the rostrum through exclusion. People say he should be applauded for that, I say he knew that the ref couldn't help him out this time if the race had to be stopped, and he wouldn't be in the re-run if that happened. What did he have to gain by staying down in the final? B*gger all. What did he have to gain by staying down earlier in the meeting? Everything. then we will have to agree to disagree,i think the booing was of a personal nature,and is tantamount to bullying.in many ways booing and jeering of this nature is worse than racist jeering,because it is uniquely personal. nicki may appear to play it off as you say,but what other choice does he have? i would imagine he was deeply hurt and shocked by events,and would be surprised to see him eager to return to britain. Of course he would be eager to return to Britain! He doesn't ride for that warm fuzzy glow of entertaining the fans, he'd return to Britain because speedway is his livelihood. He's in it for the money. He cheated his way to the final (perhaps because he's desperate to get into the big-prize-money Super Prix race?!). And to be fair, this jeering is more personal than racism! A racist hates any person of a particular nationality or ethnicity because they are from there. We hate Nicki P because he's a filthy rider with dubious tactics, not because he's Danish. And was he 'hurt and shocked' by these events? Unlikely. He's been booed before, he will be booed again, and he loves it! You can see him playing up to the crowd on camera, he even encourages it and enrages them even more! Nicki is our panto villain... do you ever boo the wicked stepmother in Christmas pantos? Bully. Perhaps that's why the fans were booing Nicki, because they thought he did just this? D'ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 cheers but how on earth did it fall off? the size of it could have been very dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 It's only a bit of foam rubber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Nicky is a great rider, but there are parts of his game that are not welcome in the arena by the majority of speedway people. He has plenty of ability to be a success, without resorting to the tactics he uses when his back is against the wall. No other rider would have got away with what he did last night, but then again, IMO, I don't think there are many, if any at all, that would do what he does. Of course, he can't be 100% sure what decision a referee will make, but he uses the rules in an unsporting manner if things aren't going his way, and with a weak referee, he knows that being world champion will get him more than his fair share of favourable decisions. Brilliant post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Of course he would be eager to return to Britain! He doesn't ride for that warm fuzzy glow of entertaining the fans, he'd return to Britain because speedway is his livelihood. He's in it for the money. He cheated his way to the final (perhaps because he's desperate to get into the big-prize-money Super Prix race?!). I would agree with the omst of this post, except this bit, I think that Nicki pure and simply wants to be World Champ, the Super Prix does not bother him at all, or at least it comes a very poor 2nd to been World Champ again, lets face it Nicki has not won a Grand Prix all this series and I think that does not bother him as he is still top of the leader board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 sometimes I think that i'm anti danish until I remember Bjarne, Gundersen, Knudsen, Hans Neilsen, Bo Petersen ............................. the problem here is the way that the crop of guys including Hans and Nicki were trained.......... and those since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortoi Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Does he get much money from winning the world championship though? I was just fielding a possible theory for his antics, because he sure as hell doesn't ride like he's trying to entertain us. I only say he's in it for the money because his riding smacked of something desperate last night. Jason Crump and Greg Hancock are, IMO, the happy medium between Mr Dirty and Mr Clean. Good, clean riders with just enough of a ruthless streak to get them the glory without the controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Davis Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Looked like the whole air filter to me, can easily come off if the jubilee clip isnt done up tight enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Didn't Hancock also hint at something similar? I would bet that there is a deal of unrest among the riders given the state of two recent GP tracks. I think perhaps a few of you should try falling off a Speedway bike before suggesting that riders do it on purpose as often as some would have you believe. I can't say it never happens but at least in the incident with Leigh Adams last night I can't see how Nicki P could have stayed on his bike - all 4 back would have been fair. I would also doubt that any rider would have been keen to go down deliberately even once on a track where a rut could have turned it into a highside or a broken leg very easily. Hancock may have been unhappy with the track.... but he wasnt threatening anything on the level nicki was............... no one is saying the track last night was satisfactory but I do think that it has been got out of perspective re: sliding off a bike..... ah come on...... the americans used to include it as part of the test to allow them to ride ............... hans neilsen made it an art....... Trick went through a period of it............... and now it looks like Nicki P is Nicki P certainly could have stayed on his bike in the Adams race........... quite simply he came across too early and leigh was well in front of him..... most riders would shut off and attempt to come inside..... some would readjust to go wide.................. Nicki chose to engineer a rerun question: if the theory is that in both identical incidents nicki was attempting for an all 4 back if he didnt hit the front................does this mean that it would continue over and over again until he made the gate? and what if everyone started doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Does he get much money from winning the world championship though? I was just fielding a possible theory for his antics, because he sure as hell doesn't ride like he's trying to entertain us. I only say he's in it for the money because his riding smacked of something desperate last night. Jason Crump and Greg Hancock are, IMO, the happy medium between Mr Dirty and Mr Clean. Good, clean riders with just enough of a ruthless streak to get them the glory without the controversy. I think the answer maybe that when riding a speedway bike, Nicki might not have the skill that Crumpie and Hancock have, what Nicki has is a very clver brain, and enormous will to win , he is prepared to win, and sometimes that can be doing things that are a calculating gamble, and prepared to take risks. Also he must be one of the most talked about speedway riders riding to day, Crumpie won the meeting, but who is the rider that is on everyone's lips, how many of these posts have been about Crumpie and how many have been about Nicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Does anyone know if you have to finish the race with the air filter still on the bike!C ant understand why K elvin Tatum didnt say anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 and prepared to take risks. yeah sadly they arent all risks which just involve him................. sometimes they involve other riders and sometimes they are with the sport as a whole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Davis Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Does anyone know if you have to finish the race with the air filter still on the bike!C ant understand why K elvin Tatum didnt say anything about it. Dunno - not sure what the rules are on air filters being on the bike at all times - Although I can imagine it could get expensive if you ran a bike with no filter on it for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGGYDOG Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Pardon my ignorance, but why did Nicky P get third when he only had 11 pts while Scott had 12 pts, after all they both reached the final and both were excluded. Sorry if somebody has already mentioned this before. Ref was usless and did his best to ruin a great evenings entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Pardon my ignorance, but why did Nicky P get third when he only had 11 pts while Scott had 12 pts, after all they both reached the final and both were excluded. Sorry if somebody has already mentioned this before. Ref was usless and did his best to ruin a great evenings entertainment. This was down to Scott been excluded first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Nicky was not excluded (the heat was not stopped) - he 'retired'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Davis Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Im probably being really really dense here but how can Pedersen claim 3rd place when he scored less points than Nicholls? Yes Nicholls was excluded but so was Pedersen - Or was it just because Scott was excluded first?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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